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post #841 of 1418
1/10/13 at 8:13am
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Subtle, Variation I: groom wears flower to match bride, groomsmen wear same flower in a color that matches bridesmaids
Subtle, Variation II: groom wears flower to match bride, groomsmen wear a different flower in the same color (calla lily/tulip for example)
Unsubtle: groom wears tailcoat, groomsmen wear tuxedos

Mine was at 6:30 I had everyone in tailcoats with "Subtle II" flowers.

If the wedding calls for black tie, I'm curious what's so inappropriate about the groom in white tie and the groomsmen in black? I thought I remember reading in a thread here that it's always acceptable to wear white tie attire to an event calling for black tie but not vice versa.

It's not a solution I'd personally go for (were I the groom), but I don't know that it's "incorrect" per se.
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post #842 of 1418
1/10/13 at 8:19am
I think it's slightly offensive to wear white tie and force everyone else to be underdressed by wearing black.
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post #843 of 1418
1/10/13 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

I think it's slightly offensive to wear white tie and force everyone else to be underdressed by wearing black.
I don't think it is offensive, though it is really just a matter of theoretical principle since white-tie is pretty much anachronism outside the smallest handful of events. It would take a lot for me not to think white tie was out of place at a US wedding.
Also, I think worrying too much about distinguishing the groom from the rest of the wedding party is a little silly. It is nice for him to be a marked man, but it is no big deal.
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post #844 of 1418
1/10/13 at 9:09am
well, tradtionally, any event had a dress code which applied to all. That tradition is long gone. It's been common for decades at least to have (say) a wedding party in formal garb and everyone else in suits. That does not strike me as so bad.

But I also would not like varying degrees of formality within the wedding party.
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post #845 of 1418
1/10/13 at 9:19am
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Also, I think worrying too much about distinguishing the groom from the rest of the wedding party is a little silly. It is nice for him to be a marked man, but it is no big deal.

Personally I would agree with this, but I don't know how easy it would be to actually explain this to a bride-to-be. In addition, I think it would be particularly difficult if each groomsman is procuring his own tux. However, like I said, it would certainly be doable if they were given guidelines such as "tux must be single breasted" in which case the groom could go DB and be set apart in that way.
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post #846 of 1418
1/10/13 at 3:57pm
If he doesn't get to tell her and her attendants what to wear, I'm not sure why she gets to decide for him. It would be one thing if he didn't care, but he obviously does.
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post #847 of 1418
1/14/13 at 12:03am
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Personally I would agree with this, but I don't know how easy it would be to actually explain this to a bride-to-be. In addition, I think it would be particularly difficult if each groomsman is procuring his own tux. However, like I said, it would certainly be doable if they were given guidelines such as "tux must be single breasted" in which case the groom could go DB and be set apart in that way.

I don't think most women would notice single breasted vs. DB. My vote (and plan) is for the flower thing. White carnation for the groom (though even this might be hard to swing... "eww.. carnations are cheap"), appropriately colored flowers for the attendants. This should be easier to sell... "I'll wear a white flower to match you, and the others will wear flowers to match the bridesmaids." Women love to match things.

Or show her this photo of the Downton Abbey wedding... chicks dig that show.



OH NOEZ WHICH ONEZ DUH GROOM???
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post #848 of 1418
1/14/13 at 5:41am
Here is Esquire's take on the men at The Golden Globes last night....

http://www.esquire.com/best-dressed-golden-globes-2013#slide-1



Here is a preview of some of the better ones:




(Esquire praised Hamm, I think the lapels are a tidge too narrow..)



And of some of the disasters:



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post #849 of 1418
1/14/13 at 6:27am
Ansari, Greenfield and Cooper were the only acceptable ones, IMO.
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post #850 of 1418
1/14/13 at 6:40am
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I recently decided to get a RTW tuxedo, for the rare occasions where I need one. My criteria were:

-black preferable to midnight blue
-peak lapel preferable to shawl; no notch lapel
-grosgrain lapels preferable to satin
-preferably no belt loops, though I could have them removed
-jetted pockets (really did not want to tuck in flaps or have them removed)
-unvented preferable to side vents; no center vents
-single button
-flat front pants preferable to pleated

It seems picky but I think by formalwear standards its also pretty basic. Really, it's a bread and butter single breasted tuxedo. I went to the major NYC menswear places - Brooks Brothers, J Press, Paul Stuart, and JoS. A. Bank. Nothing really fit the bill. Everything had either notch lapels, or more than one button, or flapped pockets, or a center vent, or a combination of those. The ONLY place that had what I was looking for was Suitsupply. Happily enough, it fit me great in the shoulders and waist, and just needed a little shortening. But it's weird that the classics menswear stores don't make a classic tuxedo, but a more trendy like Suitsupply does. It pretty much hit every criteria I wanted, except for it having side vents - and I suppose I can have those closed at a later date.

The only downside is no vest, but I think that will be the case with all RTW tuxedos. I may swing by brooks Brothers to see if I can convince myself that the lowcut vest separates match the black of the Suitsupply dinner jacket... peepwall[1].gif

If you're OK with having the pocket flaps removed and vents closed, then this one from PRL might work:

http://www.ralphlauren.com/product/index.jsp?productId=13233032&cp=1760781.2531885&ab=ln_men_cs1_formalwear&view=99&parentPage=family
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post #851 of 1418
1/14/13 at 6:51am
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Ansari, Greenfield and Cooper were the only acceptable ones, IMO.
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Ansari, Greenfield and Cooper were the only acceptable ones, IMO.


Cooper usually does quite well...but as the article stated, his tie was a bit on the small size in comparison to the scale of his lapels.


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post #852 of 1418
1/14/13 at 6:52am
True, but that is light years ahead of most of the other garbage.
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post #853 of 1418
1/14/13 at 6:54am
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Cooper usually does quite well...but as the article stated, his tie was a bit on the small size in comparison to the scale of his lapels.



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True, but that is light years ahead of most of the other garbage.

While that is true, he gets bonus points for having an obviously self-tied bow; an anomaly at an awards show these days...
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post #854 of 1418
1/14/13 at 6:54am
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While that is true, he gets bonus points for having an obviously self-tied bow; an anomaly at an awards show these days...

Also very true.
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post #855 of 1418
1/14/13 at 7:31am
Wedding:
Personally I'd stay away from white tie at a wedding of your groomsman are in black tie. But it is your wedding, so knock yourself out.

Golden Globes:
Better than most years, but still some abominations spewing forth.

Personal strangeness:
I've been invited to a "creative white-tie event". Yes you read that right. Luckily they give some parameters:

"Men: We understand you probably don't own all the parts, but try your best to be accurate to white tie. Be creative with the accessories.. Best bet is to keep to black and white (off-white vests acceptable). Black tie and Regency tail coats will be acceptable in a pinch. Please no military uniforms. Keep steampunk items to a bare minimum."

I have a conflict that night otherwise I could report back.
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