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post #721 of 3500
Agree that a wool vest should be the same material as a suit and a silk vest the same as the facings/tie. However, one should only attempt to match the vest/suit materials if procuring a three-piece suit. It won't match exactly if done as an add-on, particularly if midnight.

I would also urge anyone planning to use the trousers with a velvet dinner jacket to consider black; other than certain shades of blue, odd velvet jackets will look odd with midnight trousers IMO.

And perhaps try and look a little less like a rapist than the picture (Paul Stuart, right?), unless of course you're into that kind of thing...
post #722 of 3500
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Originally Posted by TimelesStyle View Post

Agree that a wool vest should be the same material as a suit and a silk vest the same as the facings/tie. However, one should only attempt to match the vest/suit materials if procuring a three-piece suit. It won't match exactly if done as an add-on, particularly if midnight.
I would also urge anyone planning to use the trousers with a velvet dinner jacket to consider black; other than certain shades of blue, odd velvet jackets will look odd with midnight trousers IMO.
And perhaps try and look a little less like a rapist than the picture (Paul Stuart, right?), unless of course you're into that kind of thing...

Yeah, well the Phineas Cole stuff has American Psycho written all over it in its aggressive dandyism. Going to order the whole thing as a three piece from Mr. Ned most likely, probably after the holidays.
post #723 of 3500
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Originally Posted by dustinmyself View Post

personally, I'd rather wear a spread collar with a bow tie than wing collar.
& Obama's jacket fits like shit

Obama's looks like a last minute rental from a place that didn't have his size in stock. Which it very well may have been- that's from the 2008 Al Smith dinner, and things get missed on campaigns on occasion.

He did much better this time around, though he still wore a turn-down collar, and the tie still looks pre-tied. It's a legit formal shirt though:



Mitt had the wing collar, real, obviously hand tied bowtie, and so on. It probably shouldn't shock anyone that he knew how to wear white tie, it's a little more common in his social strata.
post #724 of 3500
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Originally Posted by cptjeff View Post

Obama's looks like a last minute rental from a place that didn't have his size in stock.

Pretty much all of his suits look like that to me. It's depressing.
post #725 of 3500
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

Pretty much all of his suits look like that to me. It's depressing.

I think they used to be HSM, not sure who he uses now.

As far as his suit selections:
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"You also need to remove from your life the day-to-day problems that absorb most people for meaningful parts of their day. “You’ll see I wear only gray or blue suits,” he said. “I’m trying to pare down decisions. I don’t want to make decisions about what I’m eating or wearing. Because I have too many other decisions to make.” He mentioned research that shows the simple act of making decisions degrades one’s ability to make further decisions. It’s why shopping is so exhausting. “You need to focus your decision-making energy. You need to routinize yourself. You can’t be going through the day distracted by trivia.”
post #726 of 3500
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Originally Posted by akatsuki View Post

I think they used to be HSM, not sure who he uses now.
As far as his suit selections:

That big Washington Post profile of Martin Greenfield mentioned that he had been spotted on White House visitor logs fairly recently, though neither he nor the White House commented when the Post asked about it.
post #727 of 3500
Maybe there's hope yet...
post #728 of 3500
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Originally Posted by cptjeff View Post


Mitt had the wing collar, real, obviously hand tied bowtie, and so on. It probably shouldn't shock anyone that he knew how to wear white tie, it's a little more common in his social strata.

But Mitt Romney has the vest peeking under the front of his tailcoat. That must be a mistake. And an amateur one at that.
post #729 of 3500
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Originally Posted by akatsuki View Post

To expand further, I think I am going with Mr. Ned after the holiday season. Figure I'll ask here...

Keep it simple. eBay. Just do a search for tuxedos or dinner jackets in your size. Easy as pie. I won two tuxes this week for friends of mine. $7 and $11 respectively. Each worn only twice. Gorgeous both of them. I got mine on eBay as well 2 years ago. Only $20. Spent $60 at the tailor and it's as good as custom.

You just browse and get the best deal you can. For $5 dollars, who cares if you wind up with peak or shawl lapels. Hell, get both! biggrin.gif
post #730 of 3500
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What event was this? I thought white tie at the White House is a rare phenomenon. I think Bush only did it once when the Queen came.

 

Obama's lapel pin is the worst thing in this photo.

post #731 of 3500
Give the guy a break. He has to remind folks at every opportunity that he is, in fact, an American.
post #732 of 3500
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Originally Posted by Kent Wang View Post

What event was this? I thought white tie at the White House is a rare phenomenon. I think Bush only did it once when the Queen came.

Obama's lapel pin is the worst thing in this photo.

I thought I implied it in my post, but I guess you wouldn't really get it if you're not a political geek. That's from the 2012 Al Smith dinner- a yearly gala dinner held in New York that raises money for Catholic charities (hence Cardinal Dolan). During Presidential election years, both candidates are usually invited to attend, and they give press correspondents dinner-y comedic remarks.

And yeah, the lapel pin is awful, but you'll recall that during the 2008 campaign, he wasn't wearing one, and the right wing outrage machine went absolutely nuts, so he's worn one pretty regularly since, even though I think he's actually flat out said that he thinks it's a tacky and meaningless substitute for patriotism, though I don't think his terms were quite that strong.
post #733 of 3500
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Originally Posted by cptjeff View Post

and the tie still looks pre-tied. It's a legit formal shirt though:

While it may be a lousy showing for a white tie event, it is undeniable proof for all naysayers out there that Obama is not, in fact, a Muslim (as no self-respecting black Muslim would ever wear a pre-tied bow!).
post #734 of 3500
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Originally Posted by TimelesStyle View Post

While it may be a lousy showing for a white tie event, it is undeniable proof for all naysayers out there that Obama is not, in fact, a Muslim (as no self-respecting black Muslim would ever wear a pre-tied bow!).

Interesting fact.
post #735 of 3500
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Originally Posted by wumingde View Post

Interesting fact.

Well, it was tongue in cheek, however the majority I've either met or seen interviewed all wear bow ties and none are of the pre-tied variety.
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