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post #4561 of 4595
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post
 

 

So true. People seem to think it's a rare occasion, and in a sense it is. However, there are far more back tie events than one would think, if only you seek them out. My wife and I have between 3-4 a year now. And this is just in the arts scene. We'd have even more if we wanted to go to more events.

 

And you know how Chicago is. It has a glut of black tie events for those who want to go.

 

Where does one find such events?  Gala's are a bit out of my budget, but I have found an annual black tie ballroom dance event.  

post #4562 of 4595

Depends on the city. Chicago has annual lists of gala events in the society magazines. You could look online. Charity events are often black tie, and it's wonderful to contribute to worthy causes. Arts events like opening nights, or closing nights, are often black tie. Even the local university has a black tie event to raise funds for the honors society. You just have to look.

post #4563 of 4595
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Originally Posted by the1gofer View Post
 

I've been thinking about this for a while.  Many of us seem to spend a lot of thought lamenting the demise of black tie.  We worry about when it's appropriate and wonder if will we be over dressed, but isn't that the problem.  Men who want to dress in black tie, don't because they are afraid of not fitting in?  Wouldn't it be better to simply ware what you want with confidence, and be damned with those who view you askance? Shouldn't those of us who enjoy black tie, enjoy black tie?  Maybe I'm missing the point. 

 

 ​I think most men who put effort into how they dress do so to improve how others perceive them, even if that's only their wives/significant others. After all, no one puts on black tie to dine at home and watch Sunday Night Football. It's certainly possible to be overdressed. To use a recent thread as an example, you can wear "white tie" too if you enjoy it, but it's nearly a costume in the US at this point.

post #4564 of 4595
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Originally Posted by the1gofer View Post

 

Where does one find such events?  Gala's are a bit out of my budget, but I have found an annual black tie ballroom dance event.  

You can use other occasions. Nothing precludes you from dining out in black tie, for example (as Andy seems to be doing). It's perfectly appropriate for, say, Le Gavroche in London, Le Bristol in Paris, Apicius in Tokyo or Quay in Sydney. Not sure about the hipster restaurants with bare tables which cost about as much.

 

As opposed to social and professional events, you don't have to worry about standing out and distancing yourself from people when dining out. And it makes the occasion a little more special. 

post #4565 of 4595
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Originally Posted by Andy57 View Post

 

I am not afraid of not fitting in and I wear one or other of my dinner jackets almost every time my wife and I go out to dinner. I don't give a damn how anyone else is dressed or what they think of me. Perhaps you are missing the point. If you don't wear what you want to wear because you are afraid of not fitting in, that is entirely your problem.

You are, though, a senior executive in one of the most respected companies in the world (probably the most respected? I've never seen global vigils held for a founder passing away!), in a part of the world where individualism is at the core of the culture. You probably also have a reputation for being well dressed.

 

It's different for this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcMaZLiqVpI 

post #4566 of 4595
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Originally Posted by recentgrad View Post
 

After all, no one puts on black tie to dine at home and watch Sunday Night Football.

 

You sure about that?

 

:bigstar:

 

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Originally Posted by crdb View Post
 

You are, though, a senior executive in one of the most respected companies in the world (probably the most respected? I've never seen global vigils held for a founder passing away!), in a part of the world where individualism is at the core of the culture. You probably also have a reputation for being well dressed.

 

That's very nice of you but I'm far from a senior executive. And I suspect my reputation is for being an eccentric. :) 

post #4567 of 4595
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post


I think it depends. I love that guys like @Andy57 make a habit of wearing a dinner jacket on dinner dates with their wives. I'd happily do the same with a future significant other and wouldn't give a damn what anyone thought. I'll happily wear black tie on New Years Eve, to anything black tie optional and above, if I were attending the opera, or any other event where it's appropriate. That said, one does need to be context aware. I wouldn't wear black tie to an event with a business casual dress code, because it simply wouldn't be appropriate. I don't mind not fitting in or being a bit more formally dressed, but context matters. We can be as confident as we like, but should take care to not be inappropriate. Not suggesting you think otherwise, but I do think there's a limit to the whole wear what you like with confidence.

In short, there are a lot of good excuses to wear black tie that we can enjoy, especially if we have a significant other who likes to dress for dinner. There is still a natural limit to how often we can wear it.


I think this is fair. I wouldn't wear black tie to an event with a bizcaz dress code, either.

post #4568 of 4595

In regard to the idea of wearing black tie just to go to dinner, I have no problem with it whatever but it is not something I would generally do. If I'm wearing black tie for some other reason and I want to go to dinner before or after I won't change out of it, but I won't put it on just for "date night", if you will. Again, nothing wrong with it, it's just not me.

post #4569 of 4595

Hey friends,

I already have a cummerbund and when I wear it, it peeks out over the button of my jacket so I'm thinking of just getting a low cut waistcoat.

Which of these should I get?

 

http://www.ctshirts.com/us/black-tuxedo-waistcoat/SUD0005BLK.html#cgid=suits-separates-waistcoats&start=3

 

OR

 

http://shop.edeandravenscroft.com/collections/formal-dress/products/black-tie-evening-waistcoat

post #4570 of 4595
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Originally Posted by JamesNiven View Post
 

Hey friends,

I already have a cummerbund and when I wear it, it peeks out over the button of my jacket so I'm thinking of just getting a low cut waistcoat.

Which of these should I get?

 

http://www.ctshirts.com/us/black-tuxedo-waistcoat/SUD0005BLK.html#cgid=suits-separates-waistcoats&start=3

 

OR

 

http://shop.edeandravenscroft.com/collections/formal-dress/products/black-tie-evening-waistcoat


Ede & Ravenscroft probably has the edge in quality, but the Tyrwhitt will likely be fine. But what makes you think that the waistcoat will fit differently than your cummerbund? 

post #4571 of 4595
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Originally Posted by Andy57 View Post
 


Ede & Ravenscroft probably has the edge in quality, but the Tyrwhitt will likely be fine. But what makes you think that the waistcoat will fit differently than your cummerbund? 

Well, the cummerbund has a tendency to keep rising up and up especially when sitting even when i have the elastic loop attached to the shirt.  The waistcoat will likely be able to stay more still than the cummerbund since it covers a larger surface area so it has more tension to keep it on, and the waistcoat is worn from the shoulders rather than the waist which will rise.  

post #4572 of 4595
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Originally Posted by JamesNiven View Post
 

Well, the cummerbund has a tendency to keep rising up and up especially when sitting even when i have the elastic loop attached to the shirt.

 

Attached the elastic loop to your trousers, not your shirt.

post #4573 of 4595
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Originally Posted by Andy57 View Post
 

 

Attached the elastic loop to your trousers, not your shirt.

Ohh that makes a lot more sense now!  But, I'll still be getting the waistcoat to add some variety to my black tie.  

Thanks Andy!

post #4574 of 4595

I know this isn't as formal, but I was curious what type of tie this is.  

 

post #4575 of 4595
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Originally Posted by the1gofer View Post
 

I know this isn't as formal, but I was curious what type of tie this is.  

 

I think its called a crossover tie

I just found this on google images

https://www.bundlemonster.com/snap-button-crossover-bowtie-collection.html

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