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post #4546 of 4597
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Originally Posted by sebastian mcfox View Post

Nice dinner suit Caustic. I'm not a fan of the wing collar, but I suspect you won't budge on that one.


Whatever gave you that idea? :D

post #4547 of 4597
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post


No.

Clear. Blunt. But wrong. biggrin.gif
post #4548 of 4597
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Clear. Blunt. But wrong. biggrin.gif

 

Nope.

 


 

And here is why. (Click to show)

As you can clearly see from these images, ranging from the 1890s to the 1930s, wearing a standing collar with a tuxedo was quite common. By my research, the practice began to fall off in the 1940s and is rarely seen today. However it is emphatically not "wrong" in any sense.

 

 

AppleMark

 

 

 

 

post #4549 of 4597
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post
 

 

Nope.

 


 

And here is why. (Click to show)

As you can clearly see from these images, ranging from the 1890s to the 1930s, wearing a standing collar with a tuxedo was quite common. By my research, the practice began to fall off in the 1940s and is rarely seen today. However it is emphatically not "wrong" in any sense.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

AppleMark

 

 

 

 

Where is your cigarette? :)

post #4550 of 4597
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post

Nope.



  And here is why. (Click to show)
As you can clearly see from these images, ranging from the 1890s to the 1930s, wearing a standing collar with a tuxedo was quite common. By my research, the practice began to fall off in the 1940s and is rarely seen today. However it is emphatically not "wrong" in any sense.




AppleMark













Quite right you are. However, notice the height of their (detachable stiff) collars, and stiff shirtfronts.
post #4551 of 4597
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Originally Posted by AdductorMagnus View Post


Quite right you are. However, notice the height of their (detachable stiff) collars, and stiff shirtfronts.

 

The height of the collars changed over time.

post #4552 of 4597
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Originally Posted by AdductorMagnus View Post

Quite right you are. However, notice the height of their (detachable stiff) collars, and stiff shirtfronts.



The height of the collars changed over time.

Do you feel that your shirt maker has succeeded in getting the proportions vis a vis your neck and the depth of your collar right?
post #4553 of 4597

I think they got the collar spot on, however the sleeves are too short. Going with an SF maker next time.

post #4554 of 4597
Here's my collar

Might get a less severely tall one so I can look up without it digging in to the back of my neck.
post #4555 of 4597
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Originally Posted by AdductorMagnus View Post

Here's my collar

Might get a less severely tall one so I can look up without it digging in to the back of my neck.

That's the way to do it!
post #4556 of 4597

I've been thinking about this for a while.  Many of us seem to spend a lot of thought lamenting the demise of black tie.  We worry about when it's appropriate and wonder if will we be over dressed, but isn't that the problem.  Men who want to dress in black tie, don't because they are afraid of not fitting in?  Wouldn't it be better to simply ware what you want with confidence, and be damned with those who view you askance? Shouldn't those of us who enjoy black tie, enjoy black tie?  Maybe I'm missing the point. 

post #4557 of 4597
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post
 

How we did it.

 

 

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Superlative. Your stylistic choices might not be mine, but who cares? I think you and I would simply nod to each other across the room and get on with our evening. And Mrs Caustic Man's dress looks wonderful and I bet she caught all the attention as is entirely appropriate.

 

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Originally Posted by brax View Post

But, to me, those are preferences while the wing collar is in the "wrong" category. Not a mortal "wrong" but a "wrong" nonetheless.

 

Nonsense.

 

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Originally Posted by the1gofer View Post
 

I've been thinking about this for a while.  Many of us seem to spend a lot of thought lamenting the demise of black tie.  We worry about when it's appropriate and wonder if will we be over dressed, but isn't that the problem.  Men who want to dress in black tie, don't because they are afraid of not fitting in?  Wouldn't it be better to simply ware what you want with confidence, and be damned with those who view you askance? Shouldn't those of us who enjoy black tie, enjoy black tie?  Maybe I'm missing the point. 

 

I am not afraid of not fitting in and I wear one or other of my dinner jackets almost every time my wife and I go out to dinner. I don't give a damn how anyone else is dressed or what they think of me. Perhaps you are missing the point. If you don't wear what you want to wear because you are afraid of not fitting in, that is entirely your problem.

post #4558 of 4597
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Originally Posted by Andy57 View Post
 

 

Superlative. Your stylistic choices might not be mine, but who cares? I think you and I would simply nod to each other across the room and get on with our evening. And Mrs Caustic Man's dress looks wonderful and I bet she caught all the attention as is entirely appropriate.

 

I was holding her coat as the local press fawned over her dress. No lie.

post #4559 of 4597
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Originally Posted by the1gofer View Post

I've been thinking about this for a while.  Many of us seem to spend a lot of thought lamenting the demise of black tie.  We worry about when it's appropriate and wonder if will we be over dressed, but isn't that the problem.  Men who want to dress in black tie, don't because they are afraid of not fitting in?  Wouldn't it be better to simply ware what you want with confidence, and be damned with those who view you askance? Shouldn't those of us who enjoy black tie, enjoy black tie?  Maybe I'm missing the point. 

I think it depends. I love that guys like @Andy57 make a habit of wearing a dinner jacket on dinner dates with their wives. I'd happily do the same with a future significant other and wouldn't give a damn what anyone thought. I'll happily wear black tie on New Years Eve, to anything black tie optional and above, if I were attending the opera, or any other event where it's appropriate. That said, one does need to be context aware. I wouldn't wear black tie to an event with a business casual dress code, because it simply wouldn't be appropriate. I don't mind not fitting in or being a bit more formally dressed, but context matters. We can be as confident as we like, but should take care to not be inappropriate. Not suggesting you think otherwise, but I do think there's a limit to the whole wear what you like with confidence.

In short, there are a lot of good excuses to wear black tie that we can enjoy, especially if we have a significant other who likes to dress for dinner. There is still a natural limit to how often we can wear it.
post #4560 of 4597
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post


In short, there are a lot of good excuses to wear black tie that we can enjoy

 

So true. People seem to think it's a rare occasion, and in a sense it is. However, there are far more back tie events than one would think, if only you seek them out. My wife and I have between 3-4 a year now. And this is just in the arts scene. We'd have even more if we wanted to go to more events.

 

And you know how Chicago is. It has a glut of black tie events for those who want to go.

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