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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post


Post a photo of the black seersucker dinner jacket (I must admit I am curious) if you get a chance and all is forgiven. smile.gif


I only have this picture presently (and a couple more essentially the same). The seersucker texture is not evident unless you're quite close, which is very nice. Of course, being black it photographs horribly, especially in low light. Next time I wear it (possibly this coming weekend) I'll endeavor to get a better picture that shows the seersucker-ness of it.

 

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This seersucker DJ is by Brooks Brothers. I've seen it in person and the cloth gave of a crêpe vibe which I don't care for in menswear.

post #3873 of 3880
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Originally Posted by Andy57 View Post

. No one has ever noticed.
More accurately, no one has ever made mention. wink.gif
post #3874 of 3880
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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post

This seersucker DJ is by Brooks Brothers. I've seen it in person and the cloth gave of a crêpe vibe which I don't care for in menswear.

 

Correct, that is my seersucker DJ. The crepe effect you don't care for is one of the things that appealed to me. The texture is what sets it apart. The jacket came with matching trousers, apropos of the above conversation. Those I don't care for at all.

 

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More accurately, no one has ever made mention. wink.gif

 

True. And I doubt anyone ever would. When one is wearing a dinner jacket, particularly if one of the few present, the intimidation factor is high. The deference I receive when wearing a DJ is noticeably higher than when I am simply wearing a suit. That's not why I wear mine, but it is a noticeable effect.

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Originally Posted by Andy57 View Post


Hey, @archibaldleach
, here we go again! fight%5B1%5D.gif

archibaldleach does have a point, but I will continue to hold that it is, in fact, okay. I have several pairs of tux pants, but I almost always wear the same pair. With those same trousers I wear either an ivory dinner jacket, a black seersucker dinner jacket, or a black double-breasted dinner jacket. I have long since discarded the dinner jacket that the trousers were matched with. No one has ever noticed. Now, we will simply continue to disagree on this point for ever more, as we're both irredeemably stubborn.

But, as you have already acquired a DJ, you should go out and get some trousers. Take the jacket with you, if you are concerned about getting a close match.

With two out of three of your jackets (the ivory and the seersucker) I would have no qualms about non-matching trousers; in fact I would expect that when the DJ is made of a color/texture that is not black/midnight wool.
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Originally Posted by TimelesStyle View Post

With two out of three of your jackets (the ivory and the seersucker) I would have no qualms about non-matching trousers; in fact I would expect that when the DJ is made of a color/texture that is not black/midnight wool.

I agree completely re: the white dinner jacket. That should never take matching trousers. It's only when you are wearing a dinner jacket where one would expect that trousers to match (black or midnight blue wool) that I think there's a possible issue.

I'm not really sure where the seersucker one lands on all this. I don't think I'd wear it myself, but I can see it being a fun summer option if one has enough black tie events to go to. A seersucker suit with satin just seems weird to me, so yeah, it's probably a jacket only thing and the texture / fabric would carry the whole "it's not supposed to match" vibe.
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

I'm not really sure where the seersucker one lands on all this. I don't think I'd wear it myself, but I can see it being a fun summer option if one has enough black tie events to go to. A seersucker suit with satin just seems weird to me, so yeah, it's probably a jacket only thing and the texture / fabric would carry the whole "it's not supposed to match" vibe.

 

I couldn't do the entire seersucker suit (apparently the way Brooks envisioned it). It's too much. But the jacket has exactly the vibe you describe. It's a nice alternative on a warm evening to my ivory wool jacket. I plan to take both with me on a cruise later this summer.

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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

I agree completely re: the white dinner jacket. That should never take matching trousers. It's only when you are wearing a dinner jacket where one would expect that trousers to match (black or midnight blue wool) that I think there's a possible issue.

I'm not really sure where the seersucker one lands on all this. I don't think I'd wear it myself, but I can see it being a fun summer option if one has enough black tie events to go to. A seersucker suit with satin just seems weird to me, so yeah, it's probably a jacket only thing and the texture / fabric would carry the whole "it's not supposed to match" vibe.

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I couldn't do the entire seersucker suit (apparently the way Brooks envisioned it). It's too much. But the jacket has exactly the vibe you describe. It's a nice alternative on a warm evening to my ivory wool jacket. I plan to take both with me on a cruise later this summer.

While I probably wouldn't do a seersucker myself in principal I agree about it being a fun summer option, particularly if I get to go to a lot of BT events and like changing things up (and correct me if I'm wrong, Andy, but some of your pics suggest that you don BT simply because you feel like it, not because it's the prescribed dress code).

That seersucker might look cool with white formal trousers, though it takes a certain kind of man (and I'm not him), to rock white tuxedo pants.
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Originally Posted by TimelesStyle View Post



While I probably wouldn't do a seersucker myself in principal I agree about it being a fun summer option, particularly if I get to go to a lot of BT events and like changing things up (and correct me if I'm wrong, Andy, but some of your pics suggest that you don BT simply because you feel like it, not because it's the prescribed dress code).

 

You're not wrong.

post #3880 of 3880
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

It is a mistake to do this, IMO. Same reason you don't buy navy pants from one brand and a navy suit jacket from another to try to make a navy suit. Fabrics, even in the same basic color, differ with respect to shade, weight, texture, sheen, etc.

I agree that the best scenario is to buy a matching coat and pants. Saying that, you can get by with separate pieces if you take some care. I have bought all my black tie supplies on Ebay. I have two different coats and a couple pairs of pants, and I've had pieces that have since been discarded. I only have black, never tried with midnight blue. If you go for standard material, not the superfine materials, and the material is close to the same weight, you can get a very good match. Another consideration is that we don't wear black tie in bright midday sun, which does show subtle differences in fabric better. We wear it possibly in evening sun, if it's summer, but mostly at night outside and room lighting inside. If anyone gets close enough in those circumstances to tell subtle differences in material that person better be a very good friend.
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