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Didn't I say elegant pimp suit?
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Does anyone with more knowledge know if theres any historical precedence for long ties with wing tips?

Edwardian barristers, perhaps.

(And for the record, its a wing collar, not wing tips. The latter are only for shoes.)
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Does anyone with more knowledge know if theres any historical precedence for long ties with wing tips?

Edwardian barristers, perhaps.

(And for the record, its a wing collar, not wing tips. The latter are only for shoes.)

The English aristocracy favoured dressing their servants slightly incorrectly, in order for them not to be taken for a gentlemen guest, consequently for instance a Butlers informal day attire (in certain periods of time), would consist of a stroller and wing collared shirt with a (long) black tie.
The formal day uniform would be morning suit/wing collar and also long black tie!
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As it appears to be an official Canadian portrait, as Col. in Chief of his regiment, or simply as Prince Consort to HM Elizabeth II of Canada, perhaps he is deliberately trying to look colonial. wink.gif

 



I thought he may just have been dressing-down for the colonies but it does seem to be his preferred look - here with Gucci style loafers. His eldest son is more formal but which is 'correct'?

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I was aware of this Butler, that servants were deliberately dressed 'wrongly' for reasons you state. Which makes me wonder when watching Downton Abbey, if they got it 'wrong' by having Carson et al dressed in formal white tie for evening events and thus exactly matching the family and guests, or if this was all de rigeur for house staff at that particular timeframe of the show.

I seem to remember watching 'Lord Peter Wimsey' and noticing his butler in tails, wing collar and long tie, and IiRC his was set in a similar period to Downton Abbey.
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I was aware of this Butler, that servants were deliberately dressed 'wrongly' for reasons you state. Which makes me wonder when watching Downton Abbey, if they got it 'wrong' by having Carson et al dressed in formal white tie for evening events and thus exactly matching the family and guests, or if this was all de rigeur for house staff at that particular timeframe of the show.

I seem to remember watching 'Lord Peter Wimsey' and noticing his butler in tails, wing collar and long tie, and IiRC his was set in a similar period to Downton Abbey.

When a very senior Head Butler wore white tie, the Downton version is correct. It is, however, right that the long tie also existed, but it was generally considered, such an abomination, that at least the bigger houses refrained.
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Using Photobooth on the iMac, so it's not the best picture.  Brooks Brothers dinner jacket (that I got around 1970), Brooks Brothers tie, Thomas Pink (made in the UK) white Marcella shirt, my Grandfather's vest, and Allen Edmonds Ritz black patent leather evening pumps.

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Very sharp!  Any chance of posting one with the jacket open s we can see the vest?

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Using Photobooth on the iMac, so it's not the best picture.  Brooks Brothers dinner jacket (that I got around 1970), Brooks Brothers tie, Thomas Pink (made in the UK) white Marcella shirt, my Grandfather's vest, and Allen Edmonds Ritz black patent leather evening pumps.





Great look...compliments
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Very sharp!  Any chance of posting one with the jacket open s we can see the vest?

I tried to take a picture of the vest, but since I was using Photobooth on the iMac (even though I took the shade off the desk lamp), everything tended to blend into blackness, as you can see. 

It's a backless black grosgrain vest with black grosgrain lapels and a strap on the bottom that attaches the vest to the top button on the trousers so that everything stays together.  It'd hard to see in the picture, but my tie is also black grosgrain. (I also have a black grosgrain cummerbund.)

It also has three removable buttons of the sort that used to come in old time stud sets that had cuff links, three shirt studs, and four vest buttons.  Unfortunately, the vest buttons are black and silver and my studs and links are black and gold.  Hopefully, some day I will find black and gold replacements.

Thanks again to everyone for their kind comments.

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My bib extends into my waistband, which means it has a tendency to bunch up when I sit down, turn, generally move. Does anyone have any tips on avoiding this, other than a new shirt, or surgery on this one?

I've considered starching to just past the third stud, well in advance, and letting it set, ask its stiff at the top, and pliable below.
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Hey fellas,

I haven't been around much as I've been dealing with a medical emergency in my family this month, and free time has been zero.

I just bought a ~1950s shawl collar, link front summer weight, cream colored DJ. It fits me wonderfully just needs a good cleaning and pressing.

My dilemma is that it unfortunately has a center vent, I kind of feel obligated to stitch it shut when I drop it off for cleaning, but the rational part of my brain says just let it fly since it is an informal summer jacket anyway.

What say you?

J
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My second question is with two of my sets of vintage studs came a thing that has what looks like a stud front on each side connected by a single link. I have no idea what it is for, so the set has three shirt studs and one of these critters.

I tried to get a picture.

Help?

J

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Hey fellas,

I haven't been around much as I've been dealing with a medical emergency in my family this month, and free time has been zero.

I just bought a ~1950s shawl collar, link front summer weight, cream colored DJ. It fits me wonderfully just needs a good cleaning and pressing.

My dilemma is that it unfortunately has a center vent, I kind of feel obligated to stitch it shut when I drop it off for cleaning, but the rational part of my brain says just let it fly since it is an informal summer jacket anyway.

What say you?

J


A cream vent against black pants is going to be extremely visible whenever it's the slightest bit open.

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