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post #2581 of 3222
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Originally Posted by lwmarti View Post

Pushing the limits of black tie to new levels: the seersucker tuxedo from J. Crew. Really.




https://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/suiting/PRD~A0526/A0526.jsp

The styling is terrible, but there's something to be said about using lighter fabric for black tie events in the summer months, and I wonder if seersucker could be an economical and viable alternative to mohair, for instance...Black tie police, please don't shoot me, I'm just wondering aloud.
post #2582 of 3222
Well, if you can afford, and feel the need for, a summer tuxedo, I should think you would have your choice of lightweight wool, or perhaps even cotton could be done, if very well pressed. But seersucker is about the least formal material for a suit, and is better suited to a church bazaar, than a black tie affair. Also, why not a white Halsey, if you're going to have a summer-specific edition of your kit?

And, to follow on a previous post, I will paraphrase myself from another thread last week: when only one maker is doing something, it is best to ask yourself why it hasn't been done before, and why it isn't being copied.
post #2583 of 3222
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Originally Posted by blackbowtie View Post


The styling is terrible, but there's something to be said about using lighter fabric for black tie events in the summer months, and I wonder if seersucker could be an economical and viable alternative to mohair, for instance...Black tie police, please don't shoot me, I'm just wondering aloud.

J. Crew also sells a chino version. Yes, a chino tuxedo. And I have to admit that I'm almost tempted to get one. I imagine wearing it in the summer when I plan on drinking enough that there's a reasonable chance of being careless enough to damage the tuxedo.

 

And I imagine wearing one not just without a bow tie, but without any tie at all (I do live in California, after all). 

 

I suppose that the only thing stopping me from getting one is that with two sons in college, there's always a better use for the money.

 

And the fact that my wife would probably grumble something like, "Do you really need a 29th suit?" 

 

(Being a very successful and senior person in your industry definitely has its advantages, and one of them is the fact that I could actually wear a seersucker or chino tuxedo and absolutely nobody would give me a hard time about it.)   

post #2584 of 3222
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Originally Posted by lwmarti View Post
 

J. Crew also sells a chino version. Yes, a chino tuxedo. And I have to admit that I'm almost tempted to get one. I imagine wearing it in the summer when I plan on drinking enough that there's a reasonable chance of being careless enough to damage the tuxedo.

 

And I imagine wearing one not just without a bow tie, but without any tie at all (I do live in California, after all). 

 

I suppose that the only thing stopping me from getting one is that with two sons in college, there's always a better use for the money.

 

And the fact that my wife would probably grumble something like, "Do you really need a 29th suit?" 

 

(Being a very successful and senior person in your industry definitely has its advantages, and one of them is the fact that I could actually wear a seersucker or chino tuxedo and absolutely nobody would give me a hard time about it.)   

 

I would.  :P

post #2585 of 3222
If the suit is otherwise classically tailored and styled, I doubt you'd even notice the seersucker. The most salient objection I've heard is to the rumpled nature of the fabric.
post #2586 of 3222
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

If the suit is otherwise classically tailored and styled, I doubt you'd even notice the seersucker. The most salient objection I've heard is to the rumpled nature of the fabric.

Which makes it inherently informal.
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Yes, that's why it's a salient objection!
post #2588 of 3222
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

Yes, that's why it's a salient objection!

It's enough to totally reject the idea, imo. On the order of "Five is right out!"
post #2589 of 3222
I was actually sort of on board, until reading in the description that it's fully lined. That would sort of nullify any cooling effect the seersucker would have, no?
post #2590 of 3222

Not nullify, but reduce.

 

And I'll have a cream seersucker dinner jacket, shawl lapels, if you don't mind.

post #2591 of 3222
Seersucker is clearly noticeable (the rumpled texture is a key part of seersucker), as would be a cotton tuxedo or any similar bastardization. Anyone who wears a tuxedo often enough to need a summer option can easily find something more tasteful and less awful (tropical weight wool, etc.). 95% of even well dressed men are not going to need a black tie rig that they can only wear in the summer. This is just another example of a tasteless designer who thinks he needs to create something "new" regardless of how stupid it looks.
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Does anyone have any idea what type of cummerbund this is? The brand appears to be Invizo, but I can't find any indication of what the style is called or when this style might have been popular.

 

post #2593 of 3222
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Originally Posted by pomofo View Post

Does anyone have any idea what type of cummerbund this is? The brand appears to be Invizo, but I can't find any indication of what the style is called or when this style might have been popular.



I doubt this style was ever popular.
post #2594 of 3222
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

This is just another example of a tasteless designer who thinks he needs to create something "new" regardless of how stupid it looks.

And it's not even really "new".

From Brooks Brothers in 2009:




From After Six in 1964:



There actually were a few companies that offered white seersucker dinner jackets back around 1963. I can't say that it's such a bad idea.
post #2595 of 3222
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Originally Posted by Midnight Blue View Post


There actually were a few companies that offered white seersucker dinner jackets back around 1963. I can't say that it's such a bad idea.

I think, though, you needs to be attending a lot of Black Tie events, in the summer, it tropics, of various levels of formality, to make it a useful possession.
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