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So... I've been thinking; I have a beautiful pair of cream colored RL trousers with suspender buttons that I feel would look great with my midnight shawl collar jacket for an outdoor summer party.



I'd probably wear it with a black cummerbund and tie.



My question is what shoes?



J

 



Midnight navy velvet slippers.

That would indeed be amazing.

J
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On the cummerbund topic, being a shorter guy, I wonder about proportional height of a cummerbund. obviously it should rise to the button point of my jacket, and cover my waistband, but that isn't very much space. If I were ordering it custom, should it be fairly short, given my height?

Try the Robert Talbott cummerbund - it's noticeably shorter than any other cummerbund I've owned.
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

So... I've been thinking; I have a beautiful pair of cream colored RL trousers with suspender buttons that I feel would look great with my midnight shawl collar jacket for an outdoor summer party.



I'd probably wear it with a black cummerbund and tie.



My question is what shoes?



J

 



Midnight navy velvet slippers.

Had not thought of that--but it's brilliant. +1.

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It gets a little tiresome to hear people who claim to want to wear a tuxedo to look good say that parts of it that they don't like are archaic. A few pages ago the cummerbund was called archaic. Some people have called the bow tie archaic. Why then even wear a tuxedo. It can all be considered archaic. Why the satin lapels and satin stripe down the pants leg? Why a white shirt? I think of the whole outfit as classic, traditional. People wear the tuxedo, you are attracted to the tuxedo, because it is classic. If you start to tear it apart it ceases to be a tuxedo and you might as wear anything you want. I wear a traditional tuxedo because all the pieces developed to look good as a unit. The few options over the years reinforced that look.

I don't see the idea that a cummerbund cuts you in half. I find without one you are cut in half, especially with the modern waistline at the hips. When you wear your pants at your waist and wear a cummerbund it elongates your legs and makes anyone look slimmer and taller.
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Originally Posted by Lensmaster View Post

It gets a little tiresome to hear people who claim to want to wear a tuxedo to look good say that parts of it that they don't like are archaic. A few pages ago the cummerbund was called archaic. Some people have called the bow tie archaic. Why then even wear a tuxedo. It can all be considered archaic. Why the satin lapels and satin stripe down the pants leg? Why a white shirt? I think of the whole outfit as classic, traditional. People wear the tuxedo, you are attracted to the tuxedo, because it is classic. If you start to tear it apart it ceases to be a tuxedo and you might as wear anything you want. I wear a traditional tuxedo because all the pieces developed to look good as a unit. The few options over the years reinforced that look.



I don't see the idea that a cummerbund cuts you in half. I find without one you are cut in half, especially with the modern waistline at the hips. When you wear your pants at your waist and wear a cummerbund it elongates your legs and makes anyone look slimmer and taller.

 



That's pretty much the point of this thread, y'know.
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Well said lensmaster.

J
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Originally Posted by Lensmaster View Post

It gets a little tiresome to hear people who claim to want to wear a tuxedo to look good say that parts of it that they don't like are archaic. A few pages ago the cummerbund was called archaic. Some people have called the bow tie archaic. Why then even wear a tuxedo. It can all be considered archaic. Why the satin lapels and satin stripe down the pants leg? Why a white shirt? I think of the whole outfit as classic, traditional. People wear the tuxedo, you are attracted to the tuxedo, because it is classic. If you start to tear it apart it ceases to be a tuxedo and you might as wear anything you want. I wear a traditional tuxedo because all the pieces developed to look good as a unit. The few options over the years reinforced that look.

I don't see the idea that a cummerbund cuts you in half. I find without one you are cut in half, especially with the modern waistline at the hips. When you wear your pants at your waist and wear a cummerbund it elongates your legs and makes anyone look slimmer and taller.

^ Love it.
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Originally Posted by Lensmaster View Post

It gets a little tiresome to hear people who claim to want to wear a tuxedo to look good say that parts of it that they don't like are archaic. A few pages ago the cummerbund was called archaic. Some people have called the bow tie archaic. Why then even wear a tuxedo. It can all be considered archaic. Why the satin lapels and satin stripe down the pants leg? Why a white shirt? I think of the whole outfit as classic, traditional. People wear the tuxedo, you are attracted to the tuxedo, because it is classic. If you start to tear it apart it ceases to be a tuxedo and you might as wear anything you want. I wear a traditional tuxedo because all the pieces developed to look good as a unit. The few options over the years reinforced that look.

I don't see the idea that a cummerbund cuts you in half. I find without one you are cut in half, especially with the modern waistline at the hips. When you wear your pants at your waist and wear a cummerbund it elongates your legs and makes anyone look slimmer and taller.

Hear, hear.

I often wonder if the anti-cummerbund party, the long-necktie wearers, and the notch lapel enthusiasts feel an affinity for one another.
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Originally Posted by Lensmaster View Post

It gets a little tiresome...

Exactly. Good post Lens.
Edited by Veremund - 2/15/14 at 1:47am
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Hurrah for lensmaster, well said sir
post #2381 of 3651
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Originally Posted by EriQ009 View Post

Hear, hear.

I often wonder if the anti-cummerbund party, the long-necktie wearers, and the notch lapel enthusiasts feel an affinity for one another.

Savages...

J
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My vests arrived yesterday, just opened them this morning.

The craftsmanship and feel are unbelievable. The thought that something over (possibly well over) 100 years old has held up so well that it is still comprehensively better than anything you buy today.

The buckle for the adjusting strap is so heavy, you could almost tow a car with it.

I have two questions which hopefully someone can help with.

Firstly, one vest has a small string loop that comes from the inside, and hangs out the bottom of the vest, the other end attaches to the back of the middle button. What is it for?

The other vest has four pockets, the second pair are smaller, and about armpit level. Do they have a purpose?

J
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Some pictures if it would help.











Thanks.

J
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The little loop is to be fastened to your trouser button to keep everything in place. I'm not aware of a specific function for pockets up there; extra storage for all the phone numbers you'll take?
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The loop on the vest is affixed to the trousers to keep the vest in place. The top pockets on the vest are for pens, cigars, glasses and such.
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