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I was a bit concerned that the Rain last would be a bit too blobby, but it's great.

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Need a little help from the experts. How acceptable, if at all is a white cummerbund with a black cashmere bow tie with a tux? Thanks.
i've worn a white cummerbund for about twenty five years - worn to the point where I had to use a sharpie to recoior the metal fasteners where the color had worn away. It outlasted two or three DJs. I can't say it was correct, but it was what I wore and I was happy with it and pretty confident that I looked good in it. If I didn't look good in it, water under the bridge. I stopped about three years ago when I switched to a DB tux so dropped the cummerbund altogether.
Cashmere is dumb for a Bowtie. Not just the looks, which is no big deal, but Bowtie knots are tighter so wool is both a PITA and can fray more easily, especially cashmere.
post #2358 of 3159
I think cashmere could be a nice variation, if it's a very fine weave. Best with grosgrain, or other textured facings. The points about it being a pain to tie, and fraying easily are completely correct, so you may find it too frayed for black tie quite quickly, and then too formal to wear with your tweeds and sport coats, being sold black. If I had money to burn, I would give it a go, but since I require my clothes to last, unless they are dirt cheap, I wouldn't go with it, for pragmatic reasons.

I wouldn't do both a cashmere tie, and a white cummerbund. I wouldn't do a white cummerbund, personally, and dunt endorse it for anyone, but if you were to do it, I would keep everything else classic, so a silk bow tie. Grosgrain, again, I think, if you're going to do the white cummerbund. White satin had a particularly noticeable sheen, and so everything else would need to be staid, if I'm visualizing this properly.

I rarely find white satin to be aesthetically pleasing, at least for men's wear. Most times, if not all, I've seen it done well, it has been on a dress.

This did make me think, what does everyone think of the idea of a cotton Marcella cummerbund?

Also, for my own rig, what do you guys think of a velvet bow tie with satin facings? I go back and forth.
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

This did make me think, what does everyone think of the idea of a cotton Marcella cummerbund?.

No reason to reinvent the wheel. How would that be an improvement? The point of black tie is that it's practically a uniform and we don't need to spend too many brain cells on getting dressed for the evening.
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

Also, for my own rig, what do you guys think of a velvet bow tie with satin facings? I go back and forth.

Lovely.
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No reason to reinvent the wheel. How would that be an improvement? The point of black tie is that it's practically a uniform and we don't need to spend too many brain cells on getting dressed for the evening.

I don't think it would be an extreme reinvention. I'm not considering one; it's more of an academic question. I think it would be better than one in white satin, and it's still keeping to the black and white pallette. I wonder if, any sort of white cotton, or wool, cummerbund would encourage more men to wear waist coverings at all. In planning on acquiring a black one, myself, for when it is too hot for a waistcoat.
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So... I've been thinking; I have a beautiful pair of cream colored RL trousers with suspender buttons that I feel would look great with my midnight shawl collar jacket for an outdoor summer party.

I'd probably wear it with a black cummerbund and tie.

My question is what shoes?

J
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On the cummerbund topic, being a shorter guy, I wonder about proportional height of a cummerbund. obviously it should rise to the button point of my jacket, and cover my waistband, but that isn't very much space. If I were ordering it custom, should it be fairly short, given my height?
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So... I've been thinking; I have a beautiful pair of cream colored RL trousers with suspender buttons that I feel would look great with my midnight shawl collar jacket for an outdoor summer party.

I'd probably wear it with a black cummerbund and tie.

My question is what shoes?

J

I'm tempted to say ivory/cream shoes, but I would work really hard to match them, and the socks, to the pants as closely as you can. If you can't get a pair that create a nice, long, line, I would go with standard black. I'm inclined to say calf, not patent
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

So... I've been thinking; I have a beautiful pair of cream colored RL trousers with suspender buttons that I feel would look great with my midnight shawl collar jacket for an outdoor summer party.

I'd probably wear it with a black cummerbund and tie.

My question is what shoes?

J

I'd also try it out with one of your ivory waistcoats, if it isn't too warm. Now we could go back over the white cummerbund discussion.
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

On the cummerbund topic, being a shorter guy, I wonder about proportional height of a cummerbund. obviously it should rise to the button point of my jacket, and cover my waistband, but that isn't very much space. If I were ordering it custom, should it be fairly short, given my height?

I think it would look absurd.

If you are slim I would get it with as little padding as possible.

J
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

I'm tempted to say ivory/cream shoes, but I would work really hard to match them, and the socks, to the pants as closely as you can. If you can't get a pair that create a nice, long, line, I would go with standard black. I'm inclined to say calf, not patent

Ugh, I will have to try on a bunch of stuff. The DJ is a bit trendy with lapels on the narrower side, and a center vent which I've not yet been bothered enough to stich shut.

J
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

I'd also try it out with one of your ivory waistcoats, if it isn't too warm. Now we could go back over the white cummerbund discussion.

They should be here any day, this snow has been playing hell on deliveries.

J
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post


This did make me think, what does everyone think of the idea of a cotton Marcella cummerbund?

Seems like an odd choice to me. The point of the cummerbund is to avoid showing shirt beneath the buttoning point of one's jacket, so getting a cummerbund made of the same material as the shirt doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

On the cummerbund topic, being a shorter guy, I wonder about proportional height of a cummerbund. obviously it should rise to the button point of my jacket, and cover my waistband, but that isn't very much space. If I were ordering it custom, should it be fairly short, given my height?

Personally I'd prefer my cummerbund to be a bit too long vs. too short and am also a somewhat shorter guy (5ft7 or so). I wouldn't make any adjustments since it is unlikely a standard cummerbund would look proportionally off.
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

So... I've been thinking; I have a beautiful pair of cream colored RL trousers with suspender buttons that I feel would look great with my midnight shawl collar jacket for an outdoor summer party.



I'd probably wear it with a black cummerbund and tie.



My question is what shoes?



J

 



Midnight navy velvet slippers.
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