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post #1996 of 3500
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

I'd like to press my bow tie before a party tonight.  Silk, adjustable.  I'm thinking use the silk setting, and put a towel between the tie and the iron.  Yes?  No?  Other?

Also, windex on my patent leather?  Saw it in other threads; seems to make sense.  They're these ones, so I assume pretty cheap leather, if it can be even be called that:
http://www.zappos.com/calvin-klein-guilford

I just use water and a cloth or paper towel, seems to work well enough with a little elbow grease.
post #1997 of 3500
Which s more appropriate: Charcoal full length overcoat, or black car coat?  Car coat is not particularly formal, even as car coats go, but has no epaulets or anything crazy.
post #1998 of 3500
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post


A charcoal overcoat is perfectly fine with black tie. I don't see any reason your coat would have to be black.
post #1999 of 3500
Pictures should be out from The New York Botanical Garden's Winter Wonderland Ball last night.

Will be cool to see the current state of black tie, even though they will probably focus on the women-folk.

J
post #2000 of 3500

While on the subject of shoes, I recently got a pair of black patent leather Florsheim KIngstons, which were on sale at Amazon for $80.00 (the regular price is $130.00).  I replaced the stock laces with a pair of black ribbons laces from Jason FitzPatrick's online Shoe Snob shop, which were GBP 5/-/- (non-EU price),

post #2001 of 3500

I like it.

post #2002 of 3500
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Originally Posted by culverwood View Post

I wish people would not always refer to blacktieguide.com but use their own experience and opinion. Although the website is a fine piece of research it was only started in 2008 by a good man who had been looking to improve his black tie for an earlier cruise but it seems to have become the indisputable rule-book for many here. I am one who thinks that black tie continuously evolves and trying to fix it in the mid 20th century is wrong and a waste of time.

This argument is usually made by people who want to excuse not wearing waist coverings, or replacing bow ties with long ties, or wearing pastel colored tuxedos. I would argue that classic tuxedos have not "evolved" in one hundred years. Some things that prove their usefulness get added such as turndown collars and off white dinner jackets. A classic tuxedo today could be worn in the 1930's and fit in. That's why its formal, it's classic. Every element works well together. Both Peter Lorre and Sidney Greenstreet could wear it and look equally classy. Black tie is about tradition and tradition is not a dirty word.

The Black Tie Guide is a great resource. That is why it is quoted frequently. The reason it was started is irrelevant to the fact that a lot of work was put into it. I would argue that the BTG is the single most complete resource on black tie. It has a detailed history of the subject. Peter doesn't claim there is one single configuration you must wear. The Guide points out all the variations on items and tells which ones will likely be looked on more favorably if you are going to an old money ball as opposed to the local country club. If there were no customs or accepted standards for black tie there would be no need for a guide. There is no guide for what I wear when I go to McDonalds to eat, but I will continue to refer to the BTG when it comes to dressing to the nines.
post #2003 of 3500
Thanks for your support Lensmaster. As you have correctly pointed out, I may have a bias for traditional styling but I would never claim that this is the only option. The choice of "Guide" for the site's title was a deliberate reflection of its intended role as an advisor, not a dictator. And the inclusion of a comprehensive section dedicated to Contemporary variations is an acknowledgement that the guidelines have been changing since the day the garment was invented. As I mention in that section's "Lessons from the Past" page, "Despite the grim track record of the past fifty years, history has also proven that not all change is bad. In fact, what we define as classic black tie today would never have come into existence if it were not for change." The important thing is that the change be viewed in the context of what has made black tie so successful for over a century. In that regard I agree with the OP: a blind obsession with what's "proper" is no more legitimate than a complete ignorance of its fundamental principles.
post #2004 of 3500
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Originally Posted by Roycru View Post

While on the subject of shoes, I recently got a pair of black patent leather Florsheim KIngstons, which were on sale at Amazon for $80.00 (the regular price is $130.00).  I replaced the stock laces with a pair of black ribbons laces from Jason FitzPatrick's online Shoe Snob shop, which were GBP 5/-/- (non-EU price),



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post #2005 of 3500
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

Pictures should be out from The New York Botanical Garden's Winter Wonderland Ball last night.

Will be cool to see the current state of black tie, even though they will probably focus on the women-folk.

J

http://bfanyc.com/home/event/8046
post #2006 of 3500
The current state seems to be notch lapel.
post #2007 of 3500
I... I had a hard time looking at those photos. frown.gif
post #2008 of 3500
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Originally Posted by nyarkies View Post

I... I had a hard time looking at those photos. frown.gif
would you like some photos of our fits to calm your nerves? Gentlemen! To the Tux Poles!
post #2009 of 3500
I'll start with some of mine!
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post #2010 of 3500
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Originally Posted by nyarkies View Post

I... I had a hard time looking at those photos. frown.gif
I gave up and starting looking at the women. satisfied.gif
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