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Laced plain toe shoes are perfectly acceptable in any black tie context I can think of. Your other option of course would be opera pumps which have no laces. Either is fine.

A waistcoat is always acceptable. Some believe that a cummerbund is better with a shawl collar tuxedo and that a waistcoat is better with a peak lapel tuxedo, but I do not believe there is anything wrong with a waistcoat with a shawl collar tuxedo either. Just make sure your waistcoat is properly cut (it should be barely visible; most waistcoats have too many buttons and are visible at too high a point on the torso).
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Originally Posted by BenMurphy View Post
 

Ive found otr waistcoats appropriate for black tie very rare. Those of you who own one, how did you go about finding it? 

Look under "class waistcoats" at http://www.blacktieguide.com/Buying/Buying_Specialty.htm

I ordered mine from Favourbrook:  http://favourbrook.com/shop/product/Favourbrook-Silk-Satin-Waistcoat-Shawl-Lapel-Black-Duchesse-Satin-FBM3/    I have grosgrain lapels and had this made in moire silk (matching my bow tie).   Ralph Lauren (Purple Label) also makes an open-backed grosgrain waistcoat for about the same price.

 

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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

Some believe that a cummerbund is better with a shawl collar tuxedo and that a waistcoat is better with a peak lapel tuxedo, but I do not believe there is anything wrong with a waistcoat with a shawl collar tuxedo either.

I tend to agree that a cummerbund looks better with shawl lapels.

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Can anyone point me to an extremely simple but elegant stud set?  I'm thinking just simple thin "hockey pucks" in gold or silver with no ornamentation whatsoever.  You'd think that would be a staple, but I can't find them anywhere. 

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Originally Posted by jeffd View Post

Can anyone point me to an extremely simple but elegant stud set?  I'm thinking just simple thin "hockey pucks" in gold or silver with no ornamentation whatsoever.  You'd think that would be a staple, but I can't find them anywhere. 

Kent Wang makes a reversible onyx/mother of pearl stud set with no ornamentation.
post #1910 of 3651
I also think waistcoat+peak+wing collar or cummerbund+shawl+laydown are the best looking combinations, but no combination is really wrong.

I would say if one was set on wearing a waistcoat with a shawl collar, that a more swoopy cut one would be more aestheticly pleasing than a more sharply angled and peaky one.

J
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Originally Posted by Persephone View Post

Whilst I agree that an Internet clothing forum is indeed not representative of the entire world, I think the same can be said of southern California, which is one of the most ultra-casual regions of the United States.

Even as a Californian, I've found at most black tie events, that a majority of the attendees are in fact wearing some kind of waist covering. The exception seems to be when they choose a straight tie over a bow tie.
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Even as a Californian, I've found at most black tie events, that a majority of the attendees are in fact wearing some kind of waist covering. The exception seems to be when they choose a straight tie over a bow tie.


I completely agree with you, Mute! I've been to black tie functions in eight or nine different countries, and the vast majority of men always wear some sort of waist covering with their dinner jackets. It might not agree with my aesthetic sensibilities, but a waist covering it is. Having never attended an evening function in California calling for black or white tie attire, I very much appreciate your perspective.

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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post
 

 

I hear the same thing about Tuxedos, and about suits, about neck ties, and proper shoes.  In the words of the Dowager Countess, "and another brick is pulled from the wall."  That said, I do prefer a waistcoat, myself.


I adore Dame Maggie Smith and Downton Abbey.

Having said that, I second your comment that all kinds of clothing artefacts are labelled as archaic or even pronounced dead only to make a surprising comeback. Based on my own observations during the past five years or so, I think it's rather premature. On the contrary, I find that all these things are very much alive unless one considers a Cambridge May Ball to be the gold standard.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161510/Cambridge-students-pass-pavements-stagger-hats-ball-gowns-215-ball.html

 

P.S. No, I don't typically read the Daily Wail, but sometimes they just hit the proverbial nail on the head :-).

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Originally Posted by jeffd View Post
 

Can anyone point me to an extremely simple but elegant stud set?  I'm thinking just simple thin "hockey pucks" in gold or silver with no ornamentation whatsoever.  You'd think that would be a staple, but I can't find them anywhere. 

http://www.marlowwhite.com/01-125.html

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Awesome, thank you.  I'd prefer silver, but I'll take it.

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Some snaps from a recent wedding





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Is that the Formosa tux?
post #1918 of 3651
Yes sir!
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Damn, Greg. Can you, like, adopt me or something?
post #1920 of 3651
That tux looks awesome. I'm loving the aggressive peak lapels.
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