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post #1321 of 3171
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post

It's obvious you don't know much about Texas culture. Boots with suits is a normal thing down here.

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Just because something is customary doesn't mean it's good.

This was exactly my point. Customary or not, it looks bad. Sorry, Texans.
post #1322 of 3171
Y'all need to stop hatin' on suits-n-boots. Just accept that it's a regional thing that you don't like or understand and move on.
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Shitkickers look bad with everything apart from jeans and flared Slim Whitman suits. Suits are what chelseas are for. 

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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

Y'all need to stop hatin' on suits-n-boots. Just accept that it's a regional thing that you don't like or understand and move on.


Admit you don't understand on teh SF? Unpossible!

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Originally Posted by Hayward View Post

Shitkickers look bad with everything apart from jeans and flared Slim Whitman suits. Suits are what chelseas are for. 

Not all boots are shitkickers...
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

Y'all need to stop hatin' on suits-n-boots. Just accept that it's a regional thing that you don't like or understand and move on.

Admit you don't understand on teh SF? Unpossible!

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For the record, I neither own western boots nor wear them with suits. But in Texas, it's just as acceptable as a New Englander's OCBDs with suit and tie.
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For the record, I neither own western boots nor wear them with suits. But in Texas, it's just as acceptable as a New Englander's OCBDs with suit and tie.

Exactly. Would people here give an Arab sheikh shit because he wears a white linen robe instead of a suit to a business meeting? I'd think not (perhaps because the guy probably has more money than most Central American countries...) because in that part of the world it is the norm. Same reason that the Chinese premiere shows up at state dinners in Washington DC in a suit and tie; that seems to be the most formal dress you'd see in China. Heck, there was a black tie + cowboy boots inaugural ball for Bush 43 and it was probably for this very reason, highlighting a part of the culture in his home state.
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Not all boots are shitkickers...
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For the record, I neither own western boots nor wear them with suits. But in Texas, it's just as acceptable as a New Englander's OCBDs with suit and tie.


I don't either, and there's no way I could pull it off with out being noticeably self conscious. But it is certainly customary down there and I think it looks great for a Texan.

 

It's like if you came here to a beach wedding, you better be ready for a lot of linen suits and flip flops.

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Originally Posted by TimelesStyle View Post


Exactly. Would people here give an Arab sheikh shit because he wears a white linen robe instead of a suit to a business meeting? I'd think not (perhaps because the guy probably has more money than most Central American countries...) because in that part of the world it is the norm. Same reason that the Chinese premiere shows up at state dinners in Washington DC in a suit and tie; that seems to be the most formal dress you'd see in China. Heck, there was a black tie + cowboy boots inaugural ball for Bush 43 and it was probably for this very reason, highlighting a part of the culture in his home state.


Yep.

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Originally Posted by Hayward View Post

Shitkickers look bad with everything apart from jeans and flared Slim Whitman suits. Suits are what chelseas are for. 

Texans don't wear shitkickers with suits, you'll see alot of ostrich and exotic leathers and skins. Its totally regional and they don't half ass it.  I could never pull it off, but many take it as seriously as some SF'ers do about their bespoke and MTM shoes.

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I don't doubt that Texans take their boots seriously and that it is customary to wear them with dinner clothes. However, dinner clothes weren't developed with cowboy boots in mind. It is an extremely harsh juxtaposition. After all, the dominant theme of black tie is elegance through simplicity. Dressy cowboy boots in exotic leathers are hardly simple. Thus, they are an aesthetic disruption to their adopted context. And that's to say nothing of having to widen one's trouser legs to accommodate them, another disrupting effect. It's tragic to ruin what was so inherently and purposefully streamlined for the sake of an ill-placed regional affectation.

If Texans want to wear cowboy boots on occasions that would otherwise call for black tie, I think they'd be better off coming up with a new kind of complementary attire. That seems the gutsier route, and thus the more Texan one, anyway.
post #1331 of 3171
Involving a frock coat?
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Screw the boots! I still wanna know about the "dress guns" and appropriate holsters.
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

Screw the boots! I still wanna know about the "dress guns" and appropriate holsters.

You are asking questions way above my pay grade. I was just told that they are typical.
post #1334 of 3171
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

I don't doubt that Texans take their boots seriously and that it is customary to wear them with dinner clothes. However, dinner clothes weren't developed with cowboy boots in mind. It is an extremely harsh juxtaposition. After all, the dominant theme of black tie is elegance through simplicity. Dressy cowboy boots in exotic leathers are hardly simple. Thus, they are an aesthetic disruption to their adopted context. And that's to say nothing of having to widen one's trouser legs to accommodate them, another disrupting effect. It's tragic to ruin what was so inherently and purposefully streamlined for the sake of an ill-placed regional affectation.

If Texans want to wear cowboy boots on occasions that would otherwise call for black tie, I think they'd be better off coming up with a new kind of complementary attire. That seems the gutsier route, and thus the more Texan one, anyway.

I thought the boots discussion was largely about pairing them with suits, not formalwear? I know that Bush had the black tie and boots gala but I feel as though the "customary in TX" idea mostly applies to them being worn with business suits. But maybe I skipped some of the relevant posts?
post #1335 of 3171
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Well, apparently, the wedding party will be wearing boots with their dinner suits. I have been vehemently told that this is just the way things are done in Texas. I accept that, but I don't have to like it. smile.gif
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