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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post

I've always thought it was fine, since the reality of it is that today most people dont know what to wear unless they're told. Even if you know what's correct, you're still unsure if you will be completely out of place dressed appropriately and have to deal with a very angry bride.

There is no bride or groomzilla for my wedding, but my friends/family generally like to be more formal for weddings and it will be after 6.

I agree. It may have been uncouth at one time, but at this point, you pretty much have to clarify.
post #1097 of 3406
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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post

My mother and grandmother are Italian, if you tell them it's black tie everyone will know within an hour or so.

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post #1098 of 3406
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Sure, but of those events, how many specifically stipulated "black tie?"

All of them.
post #1099 of 3406
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Originally Posted by EriQ009 View Post

What color were the ties and tuxedos?

The tuxes were those gray CK things with the satin edged lapels that are super popular nowadays. I think the ties were silver.
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post #1100 of 3406
That's considered a tux?
post #1101 of 3406
That's a terrible tux. This kind of acceptance amongst society these days urks me beyond belief.
post #1102 of 3406
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

At this point, my guess is that people are simply trying to out-snob each other by pretending they would never have to be told to wear black tie, because they would just know.

 

This essentially describes just about any thread on SF, and doubly so when it comes to this thread.

post #1103 of 3406
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post


I don't think this is true in the U.S.

As for Europe? Well, get back to me when you turnaround your socialist decay. smile.gif

Actually, now that I think about it, the invitation to Rubinacci's 10-year anniversary party at the Italian embassy in London stipulated a dress code. But maybe that was for the benefit of his unruly American clients.

 

I do not think you understand the idea of what constitutes a formal invitation.

 

 

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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post

My mother and grandmother are Italian, if you tell them it's black tie everyone will know within an hour or so.

 

LOL! I think you understand completely the idea of what constitutes an informal invitation.

 

Not only will everyone know, no one is going home hungry from any event in your family.

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Originally Posted by poorsod View Post

That's considered a tux?

Ha I had to wear one of those for a wedding once. Terrible.
post #1105 of 3406
This is the dinner jacket we all need.

The Tuxedo trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZBPyFjRPA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
post #1106 of 3406
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Originally Posted by poorsod View Post

That's considered a tux?


Closer to a modified Morning Suit, I would say...I think it might work in a daytime event for a middle class wedding...but it would look very weird in the evening.
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I frequently come into contact with a mens choir where they all wear black tie. However, last time I saw them only one out of eight was wearing it in a at least half decent way. The others had wing collars with the wings pointing in all sorts of direction, terrible black loafers, pre tied bow ties, the wrong sizes and whatnot. They all wear black tie frequently, probably at least once or twice a month. It saddens me so that they can't do it right. Their singing is great, but the entire preformance would be taken to a new level if only they knew how to wear black tie.

 

(First post, yay me!)
 

post #1108 of 3406
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Originally Posted by poorsod View Post

All of them.

Yeah, that's what I would have thought. I'm not buying this whole thing that people, when in the "correct" circles, would know to wear black tie simply because an event is in the evening. At least, if such circles exist, they are so small as to be useless for instructive purposes here.

Maybe I'm the wrong sort, but I would never wear black tie to an evening wedding without being told to. And I do think it would look incredibly odd if you were the only one outside the wedding party wearing a dinner suit. In fact, I think it would be construed as very rude. For the same reason, I would never wear a flower in my lapel to a wedding unless I was in the party.

Yes, yes, I understand that back in some other time doing either would be the default, but the default has changed.
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Originally Posted by BackInTheJox View Post

This essentially describes just about any thread on SF, and doubly so when it comes to this thread.

I think it's a mixed bag. It really depends on who the conversation draws. In many threads, there is a strong reverse-snob-snobbery.
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Originally Posted by recondite View Post

I do not think you understand the idea of what constitutes a formal invitation.

I think you're an FNB poster who comes here every now and then to fuck with people. Maybe you should think for a moment about how sad that is.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by poorsod View Post

That's considered a tux?

It's an abortion.
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In this day and age, at least in the US, the old codes about "formal" v. "semi" etc. are nothing more than historical curiosities. If you want people to dress a certain way, you have to tell them.

I've been out of this game for almost ten years but as recently as the mid 2000s, an invite from a chancery or embassy of a European country or former British colony still used the old lingo. They would even say "lounge suit" rather that "buisiness attire."
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