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post #241 of 339
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim View Post
Um... The iPhone will be a niche product in Japan at best. Most likely it will be dismissed as a relatively useless fashion item for a season or two and forgotten.

A: Every new phone in Japan has to has a HD digital reciever. I'm not sure whether its a regulation, or just that every new phone in Japan comes with one because thats what the market wants. Thats right. A digital television reciever that gets all the broadcasted television channels available. There are more coming all the time. Many new phones are also able to record these HD terrestrial broadcast channels to internal flash memory or to memory cards which can be replayed on other devices. The phone I posted below, as well as the Sharp Aquos phone, both contain the actual graphics engine from the Bravia and Aquos tv lines in the phone. mmmm tasty.

B: Phones in Japan aren't just communication tools. Many people use them to purchase goods and items. Your phone is hooked into your bank account, verified by thumbscan and can purchase subway tickets, vending machine items, groceries, and etc.

If you see something you want to purchase in a magazine, window display, or print ad, you can scan its barcode, and within minutes you will recieve a reciept and a tracking number.

Many people's phones unlock their apartment door, or allow them into the parking garage at their work.

The GPS there is also crucial, Apple would really have to step up their game, IE, real-time Satellite GPS step by step instructions.

Basically, Apple would have to completely re-think the thing for it to even be competitive in Japan. When people say that their phone tech is light years ahead of ours, we aren't kidding.

4G is currently being tested over there, 3G has only been in place in the US for about a year, and is only in a few cities right now. It will be 5 years or so before it is even widely available in Middle America.

I'm not kidding when I say that the iPhone won't work over there. It might finction as a phone... but not very well, and not for long. It also won't do 1/2 of what phones over there are doing now, and it will cost twice as much. I honestly can't see how it would be competitive.

Mmmm

Seriously, the technology in Japan is so much more advanced than the iPhone that if the Japan-release version is not able to do all the things Slim mentioned and more -- and do it multilingually -- it doesn't stand a chance here.

When I got my new cell phone last month, the whole process was finished within an hour and the most time-consuming part of the process was choosing from among the ultra-slim 3G phone designs. My phone does everything the iPhone boasts and more -- way more.

What a shame. My Apple stock is performing so well.
post #242 of 339
The iPhone is too big to be a reasonable phone for me. And EDGE sucks.
post #243 of 339
Well, I bought the iPhone today at the Apple Flagship store at the Grove here in Los Angeles and it ROCKS! Waited 7 hours but well worth it:-)
post #244 of 339
7 hours? When did that line start?
post #245 of 339
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Originally Posted by Nantucket Red View Post
Seriously, the technology in Japan is so much more advanced than the iPhone that if the Japan-release version is not able to do all the things Slim mentioned and more -- and do it multilingually -- it doesn't stand a chance here. When I got my new cell phone last month, the whole process was finished within an hour and the most time-consuming part of the process was choosing from among the ultra-slim 3G phone designs. My phone does everything the iPhone boasts and more -- way more. What a shame. My Apple stock is performing so well.
Isn't the iPod the top MP3 player in Japanland? It's amazing all of the things Japanese smartphones can do, it seems that there's different priorities with people over here. We've had TV as an add-on on Verizon and others carriers for a few years but it's completely tanked, people just have no interest in mobile TV here so it hasn't been pursued. People here want portable music and high quality internet navigation followed up with GPS navigation. I think much like the iPod, you can't beat elegant design with specs and bullet points (just ask Creative and iRiver), but I agree without the bare minimum as far as Japanese smartphones are concerned (barcode, tv, 3g, gps etc etc etc) I don't think the iPhone will do well. It's made for an entirely different market. What's the japanese phone with the best web browser, or mp3 player? I'm fairly sure they can't match up to the iPhone, what with pinching and pulling your web pages to expand your reading area or pull away while scrolling through pages, or it essentially being an iPod with coverflow. Just different focuses for different markets.
post #246 of 339
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Isn't the iPod the top MP3 player in Japanland?

It's amazing all of the things Japanese smartphones can do, it seems that there's different priorities with people over here. We've had TV as an add-on on Verizon and others carriers for a few years but it's completely tanked, people just have no interest in mobile TV here so it hasn't been pursued. People here want portable music and high quality internet navigation followed up with GPS navigation.

I think much like the iPod, you can't beat elegant design with specs and bullet points (just ask Creative and iRiver), but I agree without the bare minimum as far as Japanese smartphones are concerned (barcode, tv, 3g, gps etc etc etc) I don't think the iPhone will do well. It's made for an entirely different market. What's the japanese phone with the best web browser, or mp3 player? I'm fairly sure they can't match up to the iPhone, what with pinching and pulling your web pages to expand your reading area or pull away while scrolling through pages, or it essentially being an iPod with coverflow. Just different focuses for different markets.

TV on verizon failed because you had to pay for it and it wasn't live over the air it was streamed to your phone on demand. Personally I wouldn't pay for that shit, if I want to watch TV I want to see what is on right now. So if I'm riding home on the train and want to catch a bit of the game or eyeball my favorite idol on a talk show I can do it easily from my phone, not have to stream shit. To it slowly.
As far as mp3 players on phones some have dedicated ipod like controls and a lot actually have things like an equalizer and other features the ipods lack. Web browsing on my docomo is very similar to my blackberry. I get a full view of the html page, no wap!
post #247 of 339
I dropped by the Apple 5th Ave. store around 2am last night, it still had plenty of iPhones left after the long line was gone, so all those people wasted their time waiting on line for several days all for nothing. Forget about flipping the iPhone on eBay for doubling the price.

I played around with the phone for half an hour. The phone itself was very well designed, pretty to look at, fun to play with, lighter than I expected and thinner than my Sony Ericsson. The video clips were crystal clear, I had no problem with the virtual keyboard and got used it rather quickly. The Safari with wi-fi connectin was very nimble, I checked the shoe porn thread with the iPhone, all the pictures came thru clearly and quickly.

I intended to pick one up but was pissed I had to upgrade my current AT&T plan to pay $25 (with fees and taxes) a month extra for the sluggish EDGE that I had no intention of using, that means I have to pay another $600 over the next 2 years for the privilege of using the iPhone. So I didn't bite.

I sold some of my Apple holdings over the past 2 weeks, I think I made the right decision.
post #248 of 339
I know this has been asked already in all 17 pages but why would anyosne spend more than 300 usd for a non 3G phone?

Honestly this phone will fail in Europe. This phone lacks a fearture that is found in most midrange to highrange phones in europe.
post #249 of 339
this has probably been asked but im not reading 17 pages about the iphone. how long do you think it'll be before the renegade geeks figure out how to unlock it? unlocked and a price drop is the only way i'd buy it.
post #250 of 339
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Originally Posted by scarphe View Post
Honestly this phone will fail in Europe. This phone lacks a fearture that is found in most midrange to highrange phones in europe.

add japan to the list!

the american casual cell phone users will jack off to it though.
post #251 of 339
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Originally Posted by Maharlika View Post
Well, I bought the iPhone today at the Apple Flagship store at the Grove here in Los Angeles and it ROCKS! Waited 7 hours but well worth it:-)
... and one day later, you could have walked into the same store (or any AT&T store) and get the same phone without waiting more than 7 seconds
post #252 of 339
Today on the N train , I lost my, iphone.
post #253 of 339
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Originally Posted by vaclava krishna View Post
Today on the N train , I lost my, iphone.

Perhaps to borrow, Mr. Bodner's, you will be, allowed,.
post #254 of 339
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim View Post
Well see the problem is that function and utility are completely different concepts to you vs. a Japanese person. Being able to watch the news or the baseball game and tune everyone else out on the hour long train ride to work or school in the morning, while standing, crammed full up against the other 30,000 people in your train with nothing else to look at but the back of someone else's head is both functional and utilitarian.

To you, its just some stupid gadget. But again, you aren't a Japanese person.


Maybe it's my inferior Anglo-African blood showing through, but I just don't see how an expensive (and inevitably fragile) small bauble is superior to standard commuter fare such as The Economist or the New Yorker. Then at least the grease from the person's head in front of you will be on cheap paper instead of a bauble and/or one's hand.

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Originally Posted by scarphe View Post
I know this has been asked already in all 17 pages but why would anyosne spend more than 300 usd for a non 3G phone?

Honestly this phone will fail in Europe. This phone lacks a fearture that is found in most midrange to highrange phones in europe.

Fortunately, Europeans have better (and cheaper) GSM mobile networks than AT&T's American one. One would expect that the Euro-iPhone will be suitable for sale in Europe. The market for these first ones seems to be just America, with our rather backwards cell infrastructure.

But what I really hope is that in a couple of generations the iPhone morphs into a device that's not tied to a network but a phone number, that can talk over VOIP when one is in range of a good wireless network and over one's cell network of choice when not. That is to say, the first one is a Trojan Horse in the literal sense for the American mobile carrier industry.
post #255 of 339
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Originally Posted by vaclava krishna View Post
Today on the N train , I lost my, iphone.

Did you have it in, sured?
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