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post #976 of 1733
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They are related, but so are the depressed economy and reduced tax revenue. Are you aware of any specific objection from the unions to such a change?

140% rate hike in 3 years despite rising ridership? O&M costs rising despite no change in reliability? I'd take a 500% rate hike if it meant not having to deal with the bullshit they put riders through on a daily basis. Constant track delays and rescheduling due to "planned maintenance" however there is never any increase in reliability and seemingly the same amount of disruption. Customers see this as incompetence.
post #977 of 1733
For parcels in England there is one central sorting office. So even if you are sending it across the street it goes via this same sorting office. That could be a 500 mile round trip depending on where you are. Whereas you could post the same parcel to an address 200 miles away but it could actually only end up travelling 300 miles. Brilliant.
post #978 of 1733
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Is that why it takes 6 months to get a package via Royal Mail?
post #979 of 1733
That and general crapness.
post #980 of 1733
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I'd take a 500% rate hike if it meant not having to deal with the bullshit they put riders through on a daily basis.

For many people, this would make taxis cheaper than public transit and you would no longer have the critical mass necessary to support public trans.

Did any of you guys see the documentary Urbanized? I believe it's on NFLX instant. There was a really interesting segment about the debate to build a subway / lite-rail in Bogota, Colombia, IIRC. Anyway, they basically concluded that buses were more efficient if appropriately planned out. Pretty interesting.
post #981 of 1733
NYC busses are for the crippled or for the old
post #982 of 1733
Busses are certainly more effective if you don't have that critical mass of people. But in a city like New York, busses are a disaster. They get hung up in traffic, and in no way can they carry enough people.
post #983 of 1733
You can have the worst of both worlds like we do in San Francisco: Impossibly expensive light-rail which shares the road with cars and has to stop at the same lights. And then put some of it underground to ensure that the cost per mile goes off the charts.
post #984 of 1733
M15 (1st Ave/2nd Ave) and M103 (3rd Ave/Lexington Ave) run great. Never had a problem with those two lines.
post #985 of 1733
Most traffic jams in central london seem to consist of 90% bus. But the people on board aren't really in a hurry anyway (see gomestar, above), so it's not a problem.
post #986 of 1733
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Most traffic jams in central london seem to consist of 90% bus. But the people on board aren't really in a hurry anyway (see gomestar, above), so it's not a problem.

I only take the bus if I have time to lose...
post #987 of 1733
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I always see the MTA adding busses to the system to and they rave about it like they are heroes and it is what the people have been wanting. No, we wan efficiency. I seriously think if we got rid of busses there would be less traffic in the city. Not to mention noise pollution. They are loud as fuck. Also, having busses flying across same lines as trains is stupid. Also, have you noticed how bus drivers drive in NYC? They act as if they own the world.
post #988 of 1733
got off at my stop this morning and I (and everyone else) noticed the station was filling with smoke. The MTA station attendants didn't seem to care much.
post #989 of 1733
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got off at my stop this morning and I (and everyone else) noticed the station was filling with smoke. The MTA station attendants didn't seem to care much.

Just a fire...no big deal. 

 

Speaking of inhaled things that can kill you, a passenger stepped on to the train last week and suddenly the whole car filled with the strongest acetone/gasoline/benzene like smell I've ever smelt. He just sat down and started sniffing like crazy from this rag and was gassing out everyone around him. He just kept sniffing every few seconds and couldn't stop. The whole car cleared at the very next stop of course as we were going to pass out, but this was a first for me. I clearly don't get around much. 

post #990 of 1733
Yeah, the point of the piece in the documentary was that buses can be incredibly efficient if designed from the ground up. They were basically like trains on tires. Had their own dedicated road. Had their own dedicated stops. Buses had much larger doors to accommodate a greater # of people getting on and off at one time. They didn't have to lean down for old people b/c the stops were elevated and the entrance to the bus was at curb level with no steps to go up or down. Stops were less frequent (one of the things that drives me nuts about Chicago buses is that they will stop 5 times over 5 blocks). I agree that most buses in American aren't more efficient than the train. The point in that segment was that they can be wildly more efficient given the minimal expense and with appropriate planning / design.

Also, someone didn't think that robots could do the job of many MTA / CTA employees. Seriously? You don't think a computer could drive a train? And the people at the help / ticket booth actually do nothing.
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