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post #961 of 1736
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This. Even so, a 20% fail rate is astronomical.

That's like 1/5

/GMAT
post #962 of 1736
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I think it would be cool to have some sort of "tap and go" kind of card, but we all know that would raise rates 300% get delayed a million times, get implemented in 2040 and the kinks worked out by 2050.

The London one works really well (works across the underground, the overground and buses). But it is stupidly expensive. And because the cards tend to be linked to your credit card and will top itself up automatically as you run low on your account, you don't even notice how much you're spending, or when they raise fares.
post #963 of 1736
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

That's like 1/5

/GMAT

Such a pessimist. That means that 4 out of 5 work everytime. That's an 80% pass rate. That's better than most people here score on their college exams. People in glass houses and all that.
post #964 of 1736
pB, I don't understand how unions and pensions affect this situation. If they were replacing people with the proximity cards, that would be one thing, but replacing one technology with another? In that case, it's really just a budget issue, no?
post #965 of 1736
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I don't know how you can not see how outrageous pensions are not related to budgets and how unions are not related to mediocracy.
post #966 of 1736
I crap all over airlines, but think about how much better they are than public transit. Imagine if 1 out of 5 of your boarding passes didn't work.

I think that people who work for public transit are lazy, stupid, bottom of the class of their terrible public high school, entitled, and are actual negative value add employees. They should be replaced with robots, which is sad because then they will just be unemployed and still be burdens on our society. Largely true for Postal employees as well. How is it possible that UPS / FedEx workers can do such a better job than USPS workers? I think a lot of it is a vicious cycle. Terrible people hire more terrible people. Also, as pB mentioned, no incentives to be good since for some reason we won't cut their jobs / pay / benefits.

On the plus side, sometimes I feel really stupid and worthless, but seeing some of these people makes me feel a little bit better about myself. If these people didn't exist, then I would be the stupid person in society.

tl;dr --> I am not a Democrat.
post #967 of 1736
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I don't think this. I think management needs to do a better job and it can improve through negotiations. I think discussions and realistic goals and expectations need to be set and enforced.. Robots can't do the things these workers can do. I hate unions to, but this is silly, railroads are the most capital intensive industry in America.

Also, UPS and Fedex can do better not only because of pensions and budget issues and bureaucracy, but they can chose to not take on unprofitable routes, whereas USPS has an obligation to serve even the most remote customer in the craziest of terrain.
post #968 of 1736
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I don't think this. I think management needs to do a better job and it can improve through negotiations. I think discussions and realistic goals and expectations need to be set and enforced.. Robots can't do the things these workers can do. I hate unions to, but this is silly, railroads are the most capital intensive industry in America.

Also, UPS and Fedex can do better not only because of pensions and budget issues and bureaucracy, but they can chose to not take on unprofitable routes, whereas USPS has an obligation to serve even the most remote customer in the craziest of terrain.

Agreed.
post #969 of 1736
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Originally Posted by deepitm View Post

I crap all over airlines, but think about how much better they are than public transit. Imagine if 1 out of 5 of your boarding passes didn't work.

I think that people who work for public transit are lazy, stupid, bottom of the class of their terrible public high school, entitled, and are actual negative value add employees. They should be replaced with robots, which is sad because then they will just be unemployed and still be burdens on our society. Largely true for Postal employees as well. How is it possible that UPS / FedEx workers can do such a better job than USPS workers? I think a lot of it is a vicious cycle. Terrible people hire more terrible people. Also, as pB mentioned, no incentives to be good since for some reason we won't cut their jobs / pay / benefits.

On the plus side, sometimes I feel really stupid and worthless, but seeing some of these people makes me feel a little bit better about myself. If these people didn't exist, then I would be the stupid person in society.

tl;dr --> I am not a Democrat.


I'll be keeping an eye on you. Anyone with a similar fondness for robots can't be all bad.

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Also, UPS and Fedex can do better not only because of pensions and budget issues and bureaucracy, but they can chose to not take on unprofitable routes, whereas USPS has an obligation to serve even the most remote customer in the craziest of terrain.

I've heard that many times but consider those people in the boonies who are forced to get post office boxes because the USPS won't deliver to them. Whereas is there anyone who UPS or Fed Ex won't serve in this day and age?
post #970 of 1736
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I don't know the answer to that, but I can probably find out. There is some corporate guy who lives in my building that works for Fedex. Also, note that Fedex and UPS are better, but they are also generally more expensive.
post #971 of 1736
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I don't know the answer to that, but I can probably find out. There is some corporate guy who lives in my building that works for Fedex. Also, note that Fedex and UPS are better, but they are also generally more expensive.

Very true.

Honestly if I stopped getting USPS mail I think I'd be fine with that. The overwhelmingly vast majority of it is junk mail. I don't need paper copies of my electric bill or water bill since I pay them online. I still get a few print magazines but I could just buy an e-reader like everybody else and skip that.

It would be tougher for me at work. I still deal with a lot of poor people who need to receive paperwork via regular mail. And I dictate a metric shit-ton of letters. That could get expensive if I had to UPS or Fed Ex.
post #972 of 1736
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Yeah, I opt out of a lot of paper mail stuff if I can. I still don't know why I get so many clothing and department store catalogues when I haven't been to these places ever in my life. You would think in a stagnant economy junk mail would be the easiest cost to cut. I mean JCPenny junk mail? I haven't been to one in like 15 years and I don't even think one exists in NYC.
post #973 of 1736
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I don't know how you can not see how outrageous pensions are not related to budgets and how unions are not related to mediocracy.

They are related, but so are the depressed economy and reduced tax revenue. Are you aware of any specific objection from the unions to such a change?
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Also, UPS and Fedex can do better not only because of pensions and budget issues and bureaucracy, but they can chose to not take on unprofitable routes, whereas USPS has an obligation to serve even the most remote customer in the craziest of terrain.

I've heard that many times but consider those people in the boonies who are forced to get post office boxes because the USPS won't deliver to them. Whereas is there anyone who UPS or Fed Ex won't serve in this day and age?

USPS charges the same amount for a first-class letter, whether it goes across the street or from Key West to Anchorage. FedEx and UPS can charge whatever they want to charge based on their costs and profit targets. Apples and oranges.

Esquire recently published a piece about the challenges facing USPS: http://www.esquire.com/features/post-office-business-trouble-0213
post #974 of 1736
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

I've heard that many times but consider those people in the boonies who are forced to get post office boxes because the USPS won't deliver to them. Whereas is there anyone who UPS or Fed Ex won't serve in this day and age?

I believe they will deliver to the boonies but the ridiculous fuel surcharge make it cost prohibitive (for the person paying the shipping).
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