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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

Hey all,

 

Looking on getting a blazer and jeans to do the "Sid Mashburn" look. I know this look was done well before Sid, but from the pictures I've seen, people associated with Sid seem to do it best, so in my mind I dubbed it in his honor.

 

Few questions on doing this look.

 

1. Is it generally a blazer or a sport coat? Any brands that really work well in this casual look?

2. What jeans go best with this? I know they have to be pretty neat and slim. APC seems like a classic one, thoughts? I know Sid sells it on his online store.

3. Any brand combinations of jeans/jacket that people commonly use when wearing this look? Any combo that's worked well for you?

 

If this has been talked about or discussed elsewhere, please link, happy to read that instead of soliciting further answers, posting on main because searches really didn't quite answer my question and hoping to get longer feedback or foster more discussion than the quick answer thread.

 

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Sid Mashburn GQ pic - Copy.jpg

 

 

Any feedback appreciated!

-Ron

post #2 of 29
I love Sid's store, but both of the looks you like are a little precious.

1) You want a fairly unstructured blazer;
2) I like Levi's 514. They are cheap, slim, but not skinny, and durable. Designer jeans on guys are dicey, IMHO;
3) No, despite a sincere desire to look precious at all times
post #3 of 29
Im actually a Levis 511 fan. Im skinny, so skinny jeans look normal, and slim looks regular, but I agree that regularly on sale for 40 dollars they are excellent construction and just look great. Not a fan of the stonewash 505's that people wear all the time though...

I think the sid mashburn look is stylish and trendy, and nice at times, but its very odd because its visibly fake sprezzatura, the art of which is entirely concealment. It scrams "LOOK HOW SLEEK YET CASUAL AND SPONTANEOUS I SPENT HOURS MAKING MYSELF LOOK TODAY," whereas Mastroianni just looked like he dressed well but his whole demeanor suggested that he just got what he liked without thinking too much about it. Sid's look is too studied and indeed, the right word is Precious. Its nice, but very affected, and I honestly think you should just get all your clothes at JCrew, because ultimately the look is the same.
post #4 of 29
Unstructured dark SC (Sartorio if you're a baller, Sid's house brand if you're not) of virgin wool (never, EVER buttoned). Raw denim (RRL or APC) that has been worn everyday for 4 months and is hemmed an inch too high. Dub monks/English loafers that have been beaten to shit (AS or C&J). Neutral shirt with a wide, semi-spread collar. 4" tie with a four-in-hand twisted knot that falls at least 2 inches above belt line. 1" belt with engine turned buckle. Fraternity kid haircut. Tortoise shell glasses in breast pocket.
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by bourbonbasted View Post

Unstructured dark SC (Sartorio if you're a baller, Sid's house brand if you're not) of virgin wool (never, EVER buttoned). Raw denim (RRL or APC) that has been worn everyday for 4 months and is hemmed an inch too high. Dub monks/English loafers that have been beaten to shit (AS or C&J). Neutral shirt with a wide, semi-spread collar. 4" tie with a four-in-hand twisted knot that falls at least 2 inches above belt line. 1" belt with engine turned buckle. Fraternity kid haircut. Tortoise shell glasses in breast pocket.

All about right except the tie. Three inches. Three and a half at the outside, but not thinner. Extra points for tying with the skinny side longer than the wide side. Never use the keeper. No socks. Ever.

On this look in general, I am fine except for the pant leg. Unless you want to really turn heads, have them tailored with a slight or no break, not two inches above the shoe.
post #6 of 29
Going for the modern preppy/ivy look is more like it:

Dark Rinsed Raw Selvedge Jeans - Japanese if possible. RRL = +points

Engine Turn Buckle Belt - not too hard to find these but must be Dark Brown or Brown Leather. Gold/Silver rusted or unrusted buckle

Vintage boots/shoes - not beaten, just creased and 'ol looking.

Sack Sport Coat - Navy

Ties - two colors - repp, polka dots, etc.. nothing tooo crazy

Wristwatch: Leather strapped - or cloth strapped - think timex, but go Bulova.

OCBD, get a contrast collar

Check out tumblrs that are all about the preppy look - inspiration is everywhere
post #7 of 29

Hey, Ron,

 

I'm a fan of Sid and what he does, but am also aware of the distortion and exaggeration of the look by many on the internet who try and emulate it. Here is my take on the matter.

 

The jacket will have to be a sport coat, not a blazer. If you're wearing it with jeans, keep it informal. Natural shoulders, nothing showy, but at the same time nothing too staid, so as to avoid looking like you have on an orphaned suit jacket. There are some on Sid's site that work, and are very fairly priced when taking into account the quality of the item. 

 

Keep the shirt and tie relatively simple. Button-down or spread collar- knit, repp, or club tie. Plain blue or white is the best choice, with pink an option as well. Knot the tie using a conventional four in hand method, and avoid using the keeper on the back. Both ends should be roughly equal in length, though. An uneven narrow end is best approached in tiny increments and with plenty of caution.

 

A.P.C. New Standards and Levi's 501's are both acceptable, but must be either rolled (only if selvedge is present) or hemmed. No break. Some proponents of the "Mashburn look" will tend to have them tapered, but in my experience this is not necessary. Regardless of your build, they'll look cleaner and make you look less top-heavy if you refrain from tapering them. The "sand" or "wheat" ones are especially nice, and can serve as either jeans or chinos depending on the situation. They won't draw as much attention to the "jeans and leather dress shoes" combination that encounters so much resistance from the more traditionalist members on this forum.

 

If you're looking at more formal trousers, it's important to maintain a very balanced approach. Don't wear them too fitted, and certainly don't hem them too high. That being said, keep them relatively slim and avoid a break at all costs. Just make sure the leg is not too short and the cuff, if you choose to wear one, is not too large. 1.75 to 2 inches will do, and it's best to keep it between those two heights.

 

Belts may be either a plain brown strap and brass or silver buckle (both in a visibly aged state) or one of the profusion of fabric D-ring belts available on the Sid Mashburn website. Don't go too far with these unless the rest of your outfit could be considered quite conservative. The plain navy repp silk one is especially versatile. 

 

As far as shoes are concerned, suede or tan leather penny loafers are the safest choice. Many other styles are acceptable, including brogues (a more English shape, though, is preferred to a shell cordovan gunboat style), plain bluchers, single monks, or the double monks for which Sid's is best known. If you're going to wear double monks, though, and you are not:

A: Sid himself,

B: An employee at the shop or a friend of his, or,

C: An older Italian or Asian gentleman surrounded by street photographers and cigarette smoke,

 

then please think twice and then once more after that about wearing them with the straps unbuckled. They're beautiful, sleek shoes, and they are meant to fasten and fit in a certain way. It does indeed look kind of cool to undo them and leave them that way, but it can't be everybody's trademark. I suspect it's not the best way to wear your bench-made English footwear, either, if you want them to last. Same thing applies to socks. Sometimes, you truly do need to wear them. You don't need to wear them as much as a lot of people think you do, but you still need to be practical. They look just as good with socks as they do without.

 

Lastly, don't take it all too seriously. Use elements, but keep it within the bounds of your own style. This is a look adopted by a small group of people, as their own calling card.  Don't try and plunge into it headfirst. Any guy could go into that store and emerge with clothes that suited him and left him looking better than most. There's certainly enough to choose from, both in the store and on the site, and whatever you pick for yourself will likely be a good choice. 

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that although the look you've been seeking is a little on the extreme side, you've certainly chosen a good source from which to derive stylistic inspiration. Don't adhere too closely to an archetype; just find out exactly what works for you about this kind of setup and work from there.

 

Sorry if I've carried on a little. I've been meaning to put in my two cents on this particular style for a while now. 

 

I'd be interested in hearing what some other members think, as well.

 

Best of luck in your sartorial endeavors.

 

-VF

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by Von Franz View Post

Hey, Ron,

I'm a fan of Sid and what he does, but am also aware of the distortion and exaggeration of the look by many on the internet who try and emulate it. Here is my take on the matter.

The jacket will have to be a sport coat, not a blazer. If you're wearing it with jeans, keep it informal. Natural shoulders, nothing showy, but at the same time nothing too staid, so as to avoid looking like you have on an orphaned suit jacket. There are some on Sid's site that work, and are very fairly priced when taking into account the quality of the item. 

Keep the shirt and tie relatively simple. Button-down or spread collar- knit, repp, or club tie. Plain blue or white is the best choice, with pink an option as well. Knot the tie using a conventional four in hand method, and avoid using the keeper on the back. Both ends should be roughly equal in length, though. An uneven narrow end is best approached in tiny increments and with plenty of caution.

A.P.C. New Standards and Levi's 501's are both acceptable, but must be either rolled (only if selvedge is present) or hemmed. No break. Some proponents of the "Mashburn look" will tend to have them tapered, but in my experience this is not necessary. Regardless of your build, they'll look cleaner and make you look less top-heavy if you refrain from tapering them. The "sand" or "wheat" ones are especially nice, and can serve as either jeans or chinos depending on the situation. They won't draw as much attention to the "jeans and leather dress shoes" combination that encounters so much resistance from the more traditionalist members on this forum.

If you're looking at more formal trousers, it's important to maintain a very balanced approach. Don't wear them too fitted, and certainly don't hem them too high. That being said, keep them relatively slim and avoid a break at all costs. Just make sure the leg is not too short and the cuff, if you choose to wear one, is not too large. 1.75 to 2 inches will do, and it's best to keep it between those two heights.

Belts may be either a plain brown strap and brass or silver buckle (both in a visibly aged state) or one of the profusion of fabric D-ring belts available on the Sid Mashburn website. Don't go too far with these unless the rest of your outfit could be considered quite conservative. The plain navy repp silk one is especially versatile. 

As far as shoes are concerned, suede or tan leather penny loafers are the safest choice. Many other styles are acceptable, including brogues (a more English shape, though, is preferred to a shell cordovan gunboat style), plain bluchers, single monks, or the double monks for which Sid's is best known. If you're going to wear double monks, though, and you are not:
A: Sid himself,
B: An employee at the shop or a friend of his, or,
C: An older Italian or Asian gentleman surrounded by street photographers and cigarette smoke,

then please think twice and then once more after that about wearing them with the straps unbuckled. They're beautiful, sleek shoes, and they are meant to fasten and fit in a certain way. It does indeed look kind of cool to undo them and leave them that way, but it can't be everybody's trademark. I suspect it's not the best way to wear your bench-made English footwear, either, if you want them to last. Same thing applies to socks. Sometimes, you truly do need to wear them. You don't need to wear them as much as a lot of people think you do, but you still need to be practical. They look just as good with socks as they do without.

Lastly, don't take it all too seriously. Use elements, but keep it within the bounds of your own style. This is a look adopted by a small group of people, as their own calling card.  Don't try and plunge into it headfirst. Any guy could go into that store and emerge with clothes that suited him and left him looking better than most. There's certainly enough to choose from, both in the store and on the site, and whatever you pick for yourself will likely be a good choice. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that although the look you've been seeking is a little on the extreme side, you've certainly chosen a good source from which to derive stylistic inspiration. Don't adhere too closely to an archetype; just find out exactly what works for you about this kind of setup and work from there.

Sorry if I've carried on a little. I've been meaning to put in my two cents on this particular style for a while now. 

I'd be interested in hearing what some other members think, as well.

Best of luck in your sartorial endeavors.

-VF










Without any sarcasm, I do not think I have read a single post by Von Franz that was not shockingly helpful. Good addition to the forum.
post #9 of 29
Thread Starter 

First, I have to say that Von Franz, I would thumbs up your post 100 times if I could.

 

And I appreciate everyone else's feedback on this too. I can't deny it, the look is a bit precious. My favorite band is Belle and Sebastian, I'm ok with precious. I'm a younger fellow, professional, mid 20's, and I think the style is really suitable for my lifestyle. Full on suits just elicit questions of why I'm so dressed up (casual office, even more casual friends), but everyone I know just seems to intuitively get this look, and what I'm going for, all compliments, no questions. It also helps that the girlfriend digs it.

 

I get compulsive about certain things. This summer, I only wore neatly pressed white button downs this summer, when whiteshirtmania was at its greatest lull and people professed patterns are back! I'm getting kind of hooked on the Mashburn right now, I want to not only wear it but fully absorb it. Notorious is right, its probably going to come off as affectation at first, but what can you do? The heart wants what the heart wants.

 

Right now with fashion, I'm ready to pontificate at length about how the rules people make are useless (I really don't care if my tie hits right at the middle of my belt, or a bit above, or a bit below...). That being said, I am seeking the rules of this look, and you all have largely laid them out for me, thanks for that. I want to get them down pat and then proceed to let my own inclinations take over after that. Style is no fun if you don't learn to trust yourself

 

Going to move on that APC denim soon, Can someone recommend a specific sport coat or unstructured blazer for around $300? I love the Mashburn look, don't have Mashburn money. 

 

-Ron

post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by Gorpomon View Post



Going to move on that APC denim soon, Can someone recommend a specific sport coat or unstructured blazer for around $300? I love the Mashburn look, don't have Mashburn money. 

-Ron

To be honest I find that APC's arent fantastic because of the way they fade. I KNOW I KNOW thats the point of raw denim, but for me its the tragedy. I love the dark indigo and it goes so quickly.

For the blazer, I would love to know. Im also a tiny person, so 36s doesnt even fit me unless its zzegna. keep us posted if you find any gems, like double monks that are in a nice price range.
post #11 of 29
You'll grow out of this phase. I promise.
post #12 of 29
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Without any sarcasm, I do not think I have read a single post by Von Franz that was not shockingly helpful. Good addition to the forum.


 



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Originally Posted by Gorpomon View Post

First, I have to say that Von Franz, I would thumbs up your post 100 times if I could.

 



Thank you both.

I'm glad to have been of assistance.

 

As for the sport coat, Ron, the only one I can think of that fits within your budget at full price comes from J. Crew. 

http://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/sportcoatsandvests/Aldridgesportcoats/PRDOVR~52639/52639.jsp

 

You'll want to try it on beforehand. The sizing and fit on their jackets can sometimes be dicey, often erring on the constrictive side.

 

Brooks Brothers has good sales, and you could easily get a nice jacket like this one,

http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=678&Product_Id=1580002&Parent_Id=217&default_color=BROWN&sort_by=&sectioncolor=&sectionsize=#null

 

or this,

http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=678&Product_Id=1416311&Parent_Id=217&default_color=CHARCOAL&sort_by=&sectioncolor=&sectionsize=

for a decent price at certain times of the year.

 

Please excuse the expression on the face of the gentleman modeling that first sport coat, though.

It was his first time being photographed for this sort of thing, and I'm afraid he overcompensated by taking a few more tranquilizers than was prudent.

He paid for the pants he soiled, and Brooks was very understanding.

 

-VF

 


Edited by Von Franz - 11/17/11 at 7:05pm
post #13 of 29
Gorpoman - you may want to try eBay or the buy/sell forum and look for Polo blue label jackets. They are made by Corneliani and have unpadded shoulders.
post #14 of 29
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Thank you both.
I'm glad to have been of assistance.

As for the sport coat, Ron, the only one I can think of that fits within your budget at full price comes from J. Crew. 
http://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/sportcoatsandvests/Aldridgesportcoats/PRDOVR~52639/52639.jsp

You'll want to try it on beforehand. The sizing and fit on their jackets can sometimes be dicey, often erring on the constrictive side.

Brooks Brothers has good sales, and you could easily get a nice jacket like this one,
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=678&Product_Id=1580002&Parent_Id=217&default_color=BROWN&sort_by=&sectioncolor=&sectionsize=#null

or this,
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=678&Product_Id=1416311&Parent_Id=217&default_color=CHARCOAL&sort_by=&sectioncolor=&sectionsize=
for a decent price at certain times of the year.

Please excuse the expression on the face of the gentleman modeling that first sport coat, though.
It was his first time being photographed for this sort of thing, and I'm afraid he overcompensated by taking a few more tranquilizers than was prudent.
He paid for the pants he soiled, and Brooks was very understanding.

-VF

Very funny about the Brooks models -- most of them look miserable! On those two coats I would go for the second in the Fitzgerald cut. The Madison is a bit boxy.
post #15 of 29
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Very funny about the Brooks models -- most of them look miserable! On those two coats I would go for the second in the Fitzgerald cut. The Madison is a bit boxy.


You're right- the Fitzgerald does fit much better, especially when taking into consideration the OP's desired style.

 

Not to divert the conversation from the thread's topic, but I couldn't help but notice and appreciate your avatar and username.

 

You're a fellow Warren Zevon fan?

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