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post #91 of 138
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Originally Posted by Christian B View Post

A little bump; Seems like Loake has joined the double monk world: Loake Cannon. For a low budget monk I think they look absolutely stunning, and since they are in the 1880-line, the quality should be acceptable. What are peoples opinion on these? Have the fab blown over?

...and also made this model for Charles Tyrwitt, I think in a different last, probably 026 consider that is available in F and G fit.

http://www.ctshirts.co.uk/men's-shoes/view-all/Brown-Fleet-calf-double-buckle-monk-shoes?q=gbpdefault||MC080BRN|||||||||||||&ppp=46

A friend of mine bought a Berkeley in sale (same leather of Cannon) the overall quality is good, the shoe is solid but the leather isn't so good, too soft and supple seems to be nappa and crease in a bad way.

However for that price is a good daily shoe.
Edited by alexSF - 3/9/12 at 5:06am
post #92 of 138
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Originally Posted by andrewgreg View Post

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post #93 of 138


Since we're on the topic... wearing the C&J Lowndes today
post #94 of 138
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Originally Posted by alexSF View Post

...and also made this model for Charles Tyrwitt, I think in a different last, probably 026 consider that is available in F and G fit.
http://www.ctshirts.co.uk/men's-shoes/view-all/Brown-Fleet-calf-double-buckle-monk-shoes?q=gbpdefault||MC080BRN|||||||||||||&ppp=46
A friend of mine bought a Berkeley in sale (same leather of Cannon) the overall quality is good, the shoe is solid but the leather isn't so good, too soft and supple seems to be nappa and crease in a bad way.
However for that price is a good daily shoe.

I understand what you mean, here are a couple of pictures I found on another forum:
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Here you can see that the leather creases on a more special way, I have the same creasing on a pair from Herring also made by Loake. Mabye the Herring Shakespear II is the way to go?
post #95 of 138

As yet-another youngster on the hunt for a pair of double-monks in the 300$ region (or rather, 250 Euro region, as I'm in Europe), I'd be delighted to hear feedback from owners of any (and preferably several) of the below shoes and how they compare. I'm going for an aggressive, point-toe alternative and thus the best options in my price range appear to be the ones below:

 

 

Herring Shakespeare II:

 

Pros: 

 

Good selection of colours, design is spot-on for me, Herring is a reputable dealer, various goodies such as free trees included, occasional 10% discount codes on their twitter.

 

Cons:  

 

Quality, esp. leather quality is a bit unclear to me. Heard less flattering this about the Herring "Classic" line - who makes them, and what line from which maker are they roughly comparable to?

 

Loake Black friars:

 

Pros:

 

Part of Loake 1880 line that I believe is of reasonable quality.

 

Cons: 

 

The small front apron and the close-together placed buckles give it a sort of "uptight" appearance that I'm not very fond of.

 

Loake Cannon:

 

Pros:

 

Same as above.

 

Cons: Looks better then Blackfriars but still design leaves things to be desired (not pointy enough!).

 

 

C&J Lowndes

 

These would normally be totally out of my price range - there is however one shady E-bayer who deals in C&J seconds/subs where they can occasionally be grabbed for 200-240 pounds (never seen them in my size tough).

 

Pros: Obviously the superior shoe of lot in both design and quality.

 

Cons: Going for these means going for subs/seconds, and waiting who knows how long for the right size to show up.

 

 

Since I'm leaving for Tokyo in September, I intend to grab a pair before since buying or importing from Japan tends to get slammed with a ludicrous 60% customs tariff on leather shoes. The current plan is thus to stalk E-bay for a few more months and hope to score something (preferably some Lowndes subbed at a low bid), and if not, pull the trigger on the Herring Shakespeares.

 

Still quality on those has me somewhat worried, and perhaps ideally I'd be looking for some kind of intermediate step between the 195GBP Herrings and the 340 GPB C&Js...

 

post #96 of 138
As yet-another youngster on the hunt for a pair of double-monks in the 300$ region (or rather, 250 Euro region, as I'm in Europe), I'd be delighted to hear feedback from owners of any (and preferably several) of the below shoes and how they compare. I'm going for an aggressive, point-toe alternative and thus the best options in my price range appear to be the ones below:
 
 
Herring Shakespeare II:
 
Pros: 
 
Good selection of colours, design is spot-on for me (except for the “antiqued” appearance of the buckle metal), Herring is a reputable dealer, various goodies such as free trees included, occasional 10% discount codes on their twitter.
 
Cons:  
 
Quality, esp. leather quality is a bit unclear to me. Heard less flattering this about the Herring "Classic" line - who makes them, and what line from which maker are they roughly comparable to?
 
Loake Black friars:
 
Pros:
 
Part of Loake 1880 line that I believe is of reasonable quality.
 
Cons: 
 
The small front apron and the close-together placed buckles give it a sort of "uptight" appearance that I'm not very fond of.
 
Loake Cannon:
 
Pros:
 
Same as above.
 
Cons: Looks better then Blackfriars but still design is far from what I crave. Not pointy enough!
 
 
C&J Lowndes
 
These would normally be totally out of my price range - there is however one shady E-bayer who deals in C&J seconds/subs where they can occasionally be grabbed for 200-240 pounds (never seen them in my size tough).
 
Pros: Obviously the superior shoe of lot in both design and quality.
 
Cons: Going for these means going for subs/seconds, and waiting who knows how long for the right size to show up.
 
 
Since I'm leaving for Tokyo in September, I intend to grab a pair before since buying or importing from Japan tends to get slammed with a ludicrous 60% customs tariff on leather shoes. The current plan is thus to stalk E-bay for a few more months and hope to score something (preferably some Lowndes subbed at a low bid), and if not, pull the trigger on the Herring Shakespeares.
 
Still quality on those has me somewhat worried, and perhaps ideally I'd be looking for some kind of intermediate step between the 195GBP Herrings and the 340 GPB C&Js...
post #97 of 138
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Originally Posted by Gosroth View Post

As yet-another youngster on the hunt for a pair of double-monks in the 300$ region (or rather, 250 Euro region, as I'm in Europe), I'd be delighted to hear feedback from owners of any (and preferably several) of the below shoes and how they compare. I'm going for an aggressive, point-toe alternative and thus the best options in my price range appear to be the ones below:
 
 
Herring Shakespeare II:
 
Pros: 
 
Good selection of colours, design is spot-on for me (except for the “antiqued” appearance of the buckle metal), Herring is a reputable dealer, various goodies such as free trees included, occasional 10% discount codes on their twitter.
 
Cons:  
 
Quality, esp. leather quality is a bit unclear to me. Heard less flattering this about the Herring "Classic" line - who makes them, and what line from which maker are they roughly comparable to?
 
Loake Black friars:
 
Pros:
 
Part of Loake 1880 line that I believe is of reasonable quality.
 
Cons: 
 
The small front apron and the close-together placed buckles give it a sort of "uptight" appearance that I'm not very fond of.
 
Loake Cannon:
 
Pros:
 
Same as above.
 
Cons: Looks better then Blackfriars but still design is far from what I crave. Not pointy enough!
 
 
C&J Lowndes
 
These would normally be totally out of my price range - there is however one shady E-bayer who deals in C&J seconds/subs where they can occasionally be grabbed for 200-240 pounds (never seen them in my size tough).
 
Pros: Obviously the superior shoe of lot in both design and quality.
 
Cons: Going for these means going for subs/seconds, and waiting who knows how long for the right size to show up.
 
 
Since I'm leaving for Tokyo in September, I intend to grab a pair before since buying or importing from Japan tends to get slammed with a ludicrous 60% customs tariff on leather shoes. The current plan is thus to stalk E-bay for a few more months and hope to score something (preferably some Lowndes subbed at a low bid), and if not, pull the trigger on the Herring Shakespeares.
 
Still quality on those has me somewhat worried, and perhaps ideally I'd be looking for some kind of intermediate step between the 195GBP Herrings and the 340 GPB C&Js...

Other DB's in that price range would be the Herring Atlee and those from Markowski and Septieme Largeur.
post #98 of 138
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Originally Posted by Gosroth View Post

Still quality on those has me somewhat worried, and perhaps ideally I'd be looking for some kind of intermediate step between the 195GBP Herrings and the 340 GPB C&Js...

I know $100 difference might be steep but I would vote for C&J Lowndes. I do own them, I am very happy with the quality, and their design is pretty nice. Why settle now, have the funds in a year or so, then 'upgrade' to another shoe.
post #99 of 138
I would do whatever one fits you the best. If you can try them all on ahead of time that's your best bet. If they don't fit you won't wear them otherwise no matter how good they look - or you will wear them for a bit and then you'll end up selling them here at a loss.
post #100 of 138
Thanks for above replies. I admit being ignorant of the French makers. Both Markowskis Eloy and Septieme Largeurs model ”Rennan” on the 206 last both appear to be solid options. The Markowski ones are almost suspiciously cheap at 175 Euro, leather quality has me worried (I'll do some reading on the reviews).
 
Herring Atlee are sadly out of question due the terrible buckles on the brown version. 
 
When I think about it, the single most important criteria for me is really to have leather that ages nicely. While 
I´m confident that the C&Js will do so, the price is just a little bit intimidating. 
 
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Originally Posted by dsmivtr View Post


I know $100 difference might be steep but I would vote for C&J Lowndes. I do own them, I am very happy with the quality, and their design is pretty nice. Why settle now, have the funds in a year or so, then 'upgrade' to another shoe.

 

 

If it was just a 100$ difference, I'd pull the trigger on the Lowndes with little hesitation, however, it's actually 200$, unless I can score some subs on E-bay. 
 
To give some perspective – I'm a PhD student getting by on a 500 euro/month scholarship. Rent is 350. Bigger shoe budget will only come from part-time jobs, or from eating less...
 
I'll do some serious research on Markowski quality, but unless I find them up to snuff I'll place my faith in E-bay. Sometimes those amazing deals seem to come buy – still hitting myself on the head for missing these:
 
post #101 of 138
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Originally Posted by Gosroth View Post

When I think about it, the single most important criteria for me is really to have leather that ages nicely. While 
I´m confident that the C&Js will do so, the price is just a little bit intimidating. 
 
If it was just a 100$ difference, I'd pull the trigger on the Lowndes with little hesitation, however, it's actually 200$, unless I can score some subs on E-bay. 
 
To give some perspective – I'm a PhD student getting by on a 500 euro/month scholarship. Rent is 350. Bigger shoe budget will only come from part-time jobs, or from eating less...

Trust me, I can definitely relate to the 'conservative' stipend for Ph.D. candidacy. smile.gif

Regarding Lowndes pricing, it must be something about the conversion because when I order Benchgrades from the UK and have them shipped to the US, they are around $400 (but I guess I have the option of minus VAT). Honestly looking for Seconds on the net may take time because getting the shoe, color, and size combination is pretty much hoping for a perfect storm. I hope you find a pair that works though and good luck with your doctorate.
post #102 of 138
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Originally Posted by Slewfoot View Post

I would do whatever one fits you the best. If you can try them all on ahead of time that's your best bet. If they don't fit you won't wear them otherwise no matter how good they look - or you will wear them for a bit and then you'll end up selling them here at a loss.

this.
post #103 of 138
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Originally Posted by Slewfoot View Post

I would do whatever one fits you the best. If you can try them all on ahead of time that's your best bet. If they don't fit you won't wear them otherwise no matter how good they look - or you will wear them for a bit and then you'll end up selling them here at a loss.

sometimes you dont know how something wear until it "breaks in". my lowndes for some reason ached my foot at the heel counter on the first 10-15 wears... (didnt occur only other 348 shoes!!) , and than after that it just completely went away

but yes i agree with the general sentiment
post #104 of 138
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Originally Posted by Trompe le Monde View Post

sometimes you dont know how something wear until it "breaks in". my lowndes for some reason ached my foot at the heel counter on the first 10-15 wears... (didnt occur only other 348 shoes!!) , and than after that it just completely went away
but yes i agree with the general sentiment

agree. but over the years you get a better estimation, if there's hope or not.
Edited by fritzl - 5/6/12 at 12:26pm
post #105 of 138
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Originally Posted by Gosroth View Post

Thanks for above replies. I admit being ignorant of the French makers. Both Markowskis Eloy and Septieme Largeurs model ”Rennan” on the 206 last both appear to be solid options. The Markowski ones are almost suspiciously cheap at 175 Euro, leather quality has me worried (I'll do some reading on the reviews).
 
Herring Atlee are sadly out of question due the terrible buckles on the brown version. 
 
When I think about it, the single most important criteria for me is really to have leather that ages nicely. While 
I´m confident that the C&Js will do so, the price is just a little bit intimidating. 
 

 

 

If it was just a 100$ difference, I'd pull the trigger on the Lowndes with little hesitation, however, it's actually 200$, unless I can score some subs on E-bay. 
 
To give some perspective – I'm a PhD student getting by on a 500 euro/month scholarship. Rent is 350. Bigger shoe budget will only come from part-time jobs, or from eating less...
 
I'll do some serious research on Markowski quality, but unless I find them up to snuff I'll place my faith in E-bay. Sometimes those amazing deals seem to come buy – still hitting myself on the head for missing these:
 

 

I think that Markowski & Septième Largeur are owned by the same person, w/ SL as the more upscale brand. You can check out an interesting review of SL quality on a French counterpart to Style Forum

 

http://www.depiedencap.eu/spip.php?article147

 

Google Translate gives a pretty good approximation, if you don't read French.

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