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post #16 of 134
11/14/11 at 7:46pm
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The Lowndes are chiseled and snub-nosed in a way that can only be experienced in person.  It is inelegant and dated. 
Just pop into the C&J store, deal with their frankly trying service, and check it out.  I have a large foot, not as large as yours, and even for me they just seemed freakishly long.  Elven.  If you're a 12, I can't imagine them not looking like torpedoes on you.  No amount of trouser can conceal that elongation.

As for the Carmina Inca last, it is a bit more spread out in the ball of the foot before the end of the toebox.  But be warned, everyone likes to say this model is "roomy," but it still has an aggresively rounded taper.  It's not chiseled and more sinusoidal... but still.  You might experience some small toe pressure depending on whether you size up or down.  I wore those earlier today; they're a fine shoe, albeit a little attention-grabbing.  Still, by all accounts they're more tasteful than the C&J Lowndes.

You have been warned.


I felt the same way you did about the 348 once I got to try them on in person and I wear a 7D. How do you feel about the other popular C&J lasts, including 337 and 358?
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post #17 of 134
11/14/11 at 9:15pm
FYI Paul Stuart has a $50 coupon floating around. Not sure if is still active though. But It would make the PS monks only $428 icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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post #18 of 134
11/14/11 at 9:36pm
Aesthetically speaking, I'd go for the Carminas.

Go drop them an email on the fit!
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post #19 of 134
11/14/11 at 9:41pm
Epaulet is going to be carrying Carmina double monks in a week or two
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post #20 of 134
11/15/11 at 2:27am
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Originally Posted by Cuttingboard View Post

I've been looking for a double monk also...looks as though Carmina has to double monks, one on the Inca last and another on the Simpson last. The Simpson Last looks very similar to the Lowndes.
Carmina Double Monk on the Simpson Last
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Carmina Double Monk on Inca Last
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There is also a dub monk on the Carmina Filadelfia last FWIW but that is prolly only available on line in Europe or special order from the Armoury.

http://www.styleforum.net/t/266529/more-carmina-shoes/15
Edited by meister - 11/15/11 at 2:39am
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post #21 of 134
11/16/11 at 12:25am
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I am clownish.  Avoid.

FTFY

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Originally Posted by sprout View Post

The Lowndes are chiseled and snub-nosed in a way that can only be experienced in person.  It is inelegant and dated. 
Just pop into the C&J store, deal with their frankly trying service, and check it out.  I have a large foot, not as large as yours, and even for me they just seemed freakishly long.  Elven.  If you're a 12, I can't imagine them not looking like torpedoes on you.  No amount of trouser can conceal that elongation.

Though you may disagree, the C&J Lowndes is very popular among SF members and is a great looking shoe.
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post #22 of 134
11/16/11 at 1:36am
I was just in the C & J store on Jermyn street yesterday. Ended up with a pair of Drummonds which are on the same last as the Lowndes (348). Sized down by 1/2 from my usual due to the very long length of the last. And I'm very happy with the fit and shape of the last.

I just held the Drummonds up to a pair of G & G on the TG73 last for comparison in length. The G & Gs are a full size larger and the overall length of the two shoes is identical. So the C J 348 is a long one.

I personally object to stopping by the store to try on and then ordering elsewhere. Sure CJ still gets the order. But what about the SA who spent their time with you? They get screwed. (This is of course assuming that the SA was professional and helpful.) If the SA is a dickwad - then sure waste their time and order elsewhere.
Edited by Gdot - 11/16/11 at 2:07am
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post #23 of 134
11/16/11 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by Man Of Lint View Post


FTFY
Though you may disagree, the C&J Lowndes is very popular among SF members and is a great looking shoe.


http://research.ivo-welch.info/palgrave.pdf



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Originally Posted by Gdot View Post

I was just in the C & J store on Jermyn street yesterday. Ended up with a pair of Drummonds which are on the same last as the Lowndes (348). Sized down by 1/2 from my usual due to the very long length of the last. And I'm very happy with the fit and shape of the last.
I just held the Drummonds up to a pair of G & G on the TG73 last for comparison in length. The G & Gs are a full size larger and the overall length of the two shoes is identical. So the C J 348 is a long one.
I personally object to stopping by the store to try on and then ordering elsewhere. Sure CJ still gets the order. But what about the SA who spent their time with you? They get screwed. (This is of course assuming that the SA was professional and helpful.) If the SA is a dickwad - then sure waste their time and order elsewhere.


This is just what they are at the NYC location, so all is not lost.

 

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post #24 of 134
11/16/11 at 10:38am
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http://research.ivo-welch.info/palgrave.pdf

It is good to get these things out into the open. Tell us how you really feel.
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post #25 of 134
11/16/11 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by PorterInjax View Post

Epaulet is going to be carrying Carmina double monks in a week or two

Any info on the last and/or price point?
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post #26 of 134
11/16/11 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by Man Of Lint View Post


It is good to get these things out into the open. Tell us how you really feel.


Oh, you tease, you. smack.gif

 

"very popular among SF members" is not a ringing endorsement for dressing in the world at large.  In fact it's almost a safe heuristic for things to avoid.

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post #27 of 134
11/16/11 at 6:13pm
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Any info on the last and/or price point?

No, other than they plan on having them in stock within the next two weeks don't know much.
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post #28 of 134
11/16/11 at 6:43pm

The Epaulet/Carmina monks will be made of shell cordovan, in a rarer color. I'd estimate the price at six or seven hundred dollars. Probably around $640.

 

It's a bit steeper than most other options, but it is what it is.

 

Chances are, if you spring for those, you'll be pleased with them.

 

Other than that, I can vouch for the Sid Mashburns (made by Alfred Sargent) mentioned earlier on this thread. 

 

They're very good shoes, and mine are serving me well.

 

As far as I can determine, Alfred Sargent is roughly equal to Crockett & Jones in quality, but the AS for Sid Mashburn double monk shoes have a much better shape.

 

To my eye, the C&J's and Paul Stuarts look too elongated and are a little "banana-shaped."

 

Those Inca-Last Carminas look nice, too.

 

That would have been my second choice after the Mashburn monks.

 

-VF

 

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post #29 of 134
11/16/11 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by PorterInjax View Post

Epaulet is going to be carrying Carmina double monks in a week or two

Which last? Inca or simpson?
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post #30 of 134
11/17/11 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by Liquidus View Post

I felt the same way you did about the 348 once I got to try them on in person and I wear a 7D. How do you feel about the other popular C&J lasts, including 337 and 358?

I own the Lowndes and they work very well for me (just ordered a pair in brown actually 30 minutes ago). I wear a UK 6E and the extra length actually is not an issue IMHO; in larger sizes, I can definitely see how this can be problematic. Conversely, this is the reason I did not opt for the AS Ramsey (which I think is excellent price:quality ratio) because I wanted a slightly elongated toebox to balance out the double-monk instep/body.
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