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2011/12 College Basketball Season

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And Michigan wins it. Great finish.
 

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This is where the Big Ten season gets interesting. MSU/Michigan tonight!!! :slayer:
this article written almost 10 years ago still brings a smile to my face.
Izzo's gang no longer green giant
by Jim Carty
Wednesday, January 30, 2002
It'll be easy to remember when it became clear Michigan State's basketball dynasty had peaked and was on the way down.
Easy to remember because Tom Izzo himself delivered the message.
It was just last week. Izzo popped up on the television, in between games on ESPN, doing college basketball analysis in the middle of his own season. There he was, sitting next to some hair-sprayed anchor, talking basketball when he could be coaching it.
Writing his own obit to Michigan State's amazing run of three straight Final Fours, four straight Big Ten titles and the 2000 national championship.
Greatness takes everything you've got, sometimes more than you even think you can give. Izzo could have never built what he's built in Lansing by taking time out mid-season to play Howard Cosell on national television.
The fact that he's willing to do it now is proof in living color that on some level he's ready for a change. Make all the excuses you want about having a lot of time off between games or the ESPN gig being a fun way to promote the program, the bottom line is that basketball suddenly isn't enough to keep Izzo busy. He needed a getaway, a little fun, something different at a point in the season when most big-time basketball coaches are in the office 10 or more hours a day six or seven days a week.
Those are the kind of hours University of Michigan coach Tommy Amaker puts in.
Amaker has the drive and focus Izzo had back in 1995 when he replaced Jud Heathcote, when he had to prove he deserved the job, had to win over Mateen Cleaves and everybody else.
Amaker won't take time out to do 15 minutes on Detroit sports radio - he tells his media relations guy he's just too busy during the season - let alone give ESPN a day of his time. He and his staff don't have time to watch TV, let alone appear on it. They're mad, they're this bad and consumed by making sure they never are again.
Some folks will tell you Izzo can and will coach circles around Amaker. Maybe. They'll tell you Izzo is much, much better at promoting his program in the media. That's true, but nobody ever won a game that way.
They'll say the Spartans again outrecruited Michigan this year, and that this year's little slump in Lansing is to be expected, and that even in a bad year Michigan State will make the NCAA Tournament.
Maybe.
But maybe everyone has yet to grasp just how big a threat Amaker and Michigan are, just how hard it's going to be to maintain Michigan State's dynasty, even if Izzo's at his best.
If Amaker isn't the best young recruiter in America, he's close. At Seton Hall he attracted the nation's No. 1 recruit and No. 1 recruiting class to a school with on-campus facilities comparable to some Michigan community colleges, a school that sits on the outskirts of a Newark slum. They came for one reason: Kids and parents fall in love with and trust Tommy Amaker.
It's starting already here. Amaker may have already found his own Cleaves in Texas guard Daniel Horton. He's going to sign super junior Dion Harris of Detroit Redford next year, just watch, and Harris will only be part of yet another great class.
The University of Michigan, meanwhile, is this state's historically dominant basketball program, and Michigan kids will flock here over any other option if the Wolverines are decent.
What Izzo has accomplished the last four years towers over the Fab Five years at Michigan in terms of achievements, but for some reason Michigan State has never approached that Fab level of buzz outside of ... say ... Lansing and some Flint neighborhoods. The Fab Five were a national story. Every little kid with a pair of Jordans and a hoop in his neighborhood knew C Webb and the boys.
A lot of those kids are now going to the Nike or ABCD camps, and they remember those years. Most of them can't name four members of the five, but it doesn't matter. When it comes down to Michigan vs. Michigan State, Amaker vs. Izzo for a recruit, the Fabs are going to be a tie-breaker. Mark it down.
Izzo's been lucky up until now, he hasn't had to really deal with Michigan. He's received a huge boost in his program building by circumstances like the Ed Martin scandal, the ugly end of the Steve Fisher era, the inability of Brian Ellerbe to figure out he needed good kids, not just good players, to succeed at Michigan.
This isn't to say Izzo and the Spartans are done now, mind you.
They'll probably beat the heck of Amaker and Michigan tonight at the Breslin Center.
They need to. The free pass has been canceled. Michigan vs. Michigan State is an even fight again, and it's going to be a fight. The Spartans are ahead now, and will be a factor as long as Izzo is in Lansing, but in the long run my money is on the guy who's too busy coaching to appear on the radio.

Thanks for the lulz. After that game, I needed it. It's frustrating that the young guys for MSU have looked young the past two games. Hopefully this is just a blip and they get back to playing like they were against Indiana.
 

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And Michigan wins it. Great finish.

bad loss by MSU. draymond needs to hit that bucket.

Thanks for the lulz. After that game, I needed it. It's frustrating that the young guys for MSU have looked young the past two games. Hopefully this is just a blip and they get back to playing like they were against Indiana.

they really have. frustrating, but expected, to be honest. this team really has exceeded most's expectations thus far. Payne, Dawson, and Trice will learn. I have the utmost confidence in Izzo come March. at least this year, guys are not pointing fingers at each other. last year was a disaster. summers and lucas were great players, but damn, they sounded like prima donna bitches.

i will say this, the Big Ten is a tough conference this year. to win on the road, at any school, is a challenge.
 
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draymond needs to hit that bucket.
I have the utmost confidence in Izzo come March. at least this year, guys are not pointing fingers at each other. last year was a disaster. summers and lucas were great players, but damn, they sounded like prima donna bitches.
i will say this, the Big Ten is a tough conference this year. to win on the road, at any school, is a challenge.



Draymond Green needs to do something on offense when his team is struggling for points. Yea, he had some nice passes on the block, but every other game he tries to get his; so why not this game? Usually, in big games, he presses too much, and last night it didn't seem like he pressed enough.
 

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i will say this, the Big Ten is a tough conference this year. to win on the road, at any school, is a challenge.


Best conference top to bottom by far. Not even close. They will get more bids than the Big East.
 

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Draymond Green needs to do something on offense when his team is struggling for points. Yea, he had some nice passes on the block, but every other game he tries to get his; so why not this game? Usually, in big games, he presses too much, and last night it didn't seem like he pressed enough.


they just looked really out on sync down the stretch. he does seem to press too much. in the first half, they did a poor job going inside. him, payne, and nix could've eaten Michigan's bigs inside. they settled for too many jumpers. pretty clear they did when they had 0 FT attempts in the first half.

i just have to remember, it's a young team and they will learn. i think it's good for teams to lose some close games. the NW was inexcusable, IMO. tough place, yes, but we got dominated.
 

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So Nebraska beats #13 Indiana. Nebraska looked sluggish throughout the entire game until the last 3 or so minutes.
 

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It's been quite an eventful opening 3ish weeks for the Big Ten. I'm just glad it's getting the SEC football treatment from the media when lower teams beat the upper-tier.
 

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i will say this, the Big Ten is a tough conference this year. to win on the road, at any school, is a challenge.


It's pretty easy to win in the Big Ten as long as you can score 50 points. Alas, the difficulty.....
 

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So Nebraska beats #13 Indiana. Nebraska looked sluggish throughout the entire game until the last 3 or so minutes.


Could have told you IU wasn't that good... :)
 

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A good game right now between Alabama and Kentucky. Kentucky still ahead, but Alabama is staying right with them. It's going to be an exciting finish.
 

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Nice finish for Michigan and Arkansas. Arkansas did all they could to give Michigan a great chance in the final minute.
 

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