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post #31 of 40
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Originally Posted by imageWIS
Well, not coming into a corner, but speeding up at the end of it to slingshot around is a very handy trick (prominently first used by Fangio, if memory serves).
If your entry speed and turn in are done correctly (for a fast line), then you will be at full throttle by the apex of the turn. That's true for any car in any turn. And that's not punching it, because the throttle is smoothly squeezed down to the floor. Some people try to cure understeer by using the throttle to break the rear wheels loose, but that's generally not very fast, and they probably tried to carry too much speed into the corner. BTW, there are only a handful of people alive today with the driving talent to credibly compare themselves to Fangio, and I don't think any of them post here. --Andre
post #32 of 40
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Originally Posted by EvEr37
Cayman is a boxster with a roof.

The Cayman is far from a Boxster with a roof, even though they're alike.
post #33 of 40
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Originally Posted by DarkNWorn
The Cayman is far from a Boxster with a roof, even though they're alike.

ok
post #34 of 40
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Originally Posted by Andre Yew
If your entry speed and turn in are done correctly (for a fast line), then you will be at full throttle by the apex of the turn. That's true for any car in any turn. And that's not punching it, because the throttle is smoothly squeezed down to the floor.
Umm. No. Not for a classic racing line with RWD. Usually you gradually squeeze the throttle AFTER the apex, and should be on full throttle as you're lining up edit: http://www.grmotorsports.com/news/01...rrect-them.php Mistake #6 is you!
post #35 of 40
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Originally Posted by broady
Umm. No.

Not for a classic racing line with RWD.

Usually you gradually squeeze the throttle AFTER the apex, and should be on full throttle as you're lining up

edit: http://www.grmotorsports.com/news/01...rrect-them.php

Mistake #6 is you!

You didn't understand the article. You don't trail brake or coast all the way into the apex and get on the throttle only after the apex. You get on the throttle as soon as you know you're going to make your apex, and that's what the article is saying, though it is necessarily simplified:

"Trail brake long enough to get the nose of your car pointed at the apex and aligned with your track-out point. Why accelerate before you have the car pointed in the right direction?"

On fast corners, this can even be right at turn-in (eg. turn 6 at Laguna Seca).

--Andre
post #36 of 40
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Originally Posted by Andre Yew
If your entry speed and turn in are done correctly (for a fast line), then you will be at full throttle by the apex of the turn. That's true for any car in any turn. And that's not punching it, because the throttle is smoothly squeezed down to the floor.

Some people try to cure understeer by using the throttle to break the rear wheels loose, but that's generally not very fast, and they probably tried to carry too much speed into the corner.

BTW, there are only a handful of people alive today with the driving talent to credibly compare themselves to Fangio, and I don't think any of them post here.

--Andre

If you think I was comparing myself to Fangio than obviously, you completely misunderstood what I wrote.

Jon.
post #37 of 40
I have a Cayman and love it. Of course, we are only two people and I tend to drive like an old lady, but my wife's father was a highway patrolman so she knows how to drive pretty damn well and can get the thing going pretty good on long drives around the coast. It may be like a Boxster, but it doesn't drive or feel anything like one.
post #38 of 40
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Originally Posted by imageWIS
If you think I was comparing myself to Fangio than obviously, you completely misunderstood what I wrote.

If that wasn't your intent, then I owe you an apology: I'm sorry for unfairly assuming you were making such a comparison.

--Andre
post #39 of 40
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Originally Posted by Andre Yew
If that wasn't your intent, then I owe you an apology: I'm sorry for unfairly assuming you were making such a comparison.

--Andre

Apology accepted. I was merely writing regarding the move and using the most famous comparison I could to assure that what I was writing was understood.

Jon.
post #40 of 40
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Originally Posted by imageWIS
Well, not coming into a corner, but speeding up at the end of it to slingshot around is a very handy trick (prominently first used by Fangio, if memory serves).

Jon.

Tazio Nuvolari, actually. (Assuming I spelled that correctly.) And keep in mind that he was riding on tires with about as much grip as the ones Lance Armstrong trained on, if that...

That said, hanging the tail out at the end of a corner is hardly the fastest way around with a modern, but dammit if it isn't the most fun!
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