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post #1 of 11
11/10/11 at 6:59am
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http://therakeonline.com/module/pdf_download.php?download_file=LIVELIKELINO_75fh7e8z.pdf

 

I like what he has to say about sprezz:

 

What is this sprezzatura? I read a lot about this idea in the

English magazines, but I really don’t know what it means. I think

it is very English to take something that we (Italians) do naturally

and make it into a set of rules. I suppose it is similar to what the

French call dégagé, but to me, sprezzatura is not something you

analyse — it is something you do naturally

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post #2 of 11
11/10/11 at 7:37am
while I like what he says, this seems to be a case of "do as I say, not as I do". I can see how you leave the house with one buckle undone on a pair of double monks, I know people who have no "sprezzatura" who regularly leave their shirt cuffs unbuttoned, I guess I can understand all the junk on his wristicles and the wallet chain but the combination of all that stuff in all his outifts betrays his "I just do this naturally". Then we look at the heavy scarf stuffed inside his overcoat pocket (if it is cold enough for a scarf and overcoat, why isn't he awearing it?), the gloves in the chest pocket, the tight fits, the colors. It just look all very contrived, very deliberate. At the end of the day though, we only judge him by his pics, don't know the man or the situations in which he is dressing for so I could be totally off base.
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post #3 of 11
11/10/11 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by Eustace Tilley View Post

What is this sprezzatura? I read a lot about this idea in the
English magazines, but I really don’t know what it means. I think
it is very English to take something that we (Italians) do naturally
and make it into a set of rules. I suppose it is similar to what the
French call dégagé, but to me, sprezzatura is not something you
analyse — it is something you do naturally

...and SR is a "bad English comedy".

Last time I heard, sprezzatura was an Italian word, invented by Italians (of course, nothing wrong with this).

Andrey
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post #4 of 11
11/10/11 at 8:35am

Given that Italian tailors and fashionistas between them have come up with a word for just about every aspect of style, I think he is protesting too much and trying to play to a very tired anti-Anglo theme, which is pretty common in Europe. Plus when you look at the pictures, you can see he's about as vain as it's possible to be. He doesn't think about it? Bullshit. He clearly spends half his waking life thinking about it. I think the interviewer is also taking what he says with a nod and a wink as if he really means it. I can't believe he does.

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post #5 of 11
11/10/11 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

while I like what he says, this seems to be a case of "do as I say, not as I do". I can see how you leave the house with one buckle undone on a pair of double monks, I know people who have no "sprezzatura" who regularly leave their shirt cuffs unbuttoned, I guess I can understand all the junk on his wristicles and the wallet chain but the combination of all that stuff in all his outifts betrays his "I just do this naturally". Then we look at the heavy scarf stuffed inside his overcoat pocket (if it is cold enough for a scarf and overcoat, why isn't he awearing it?), the gloves in the chest pocket, the tight fits, the colors. It just look all very contrived, very deliberate. At the end of the day though, we only judge him by his pics, don't know the man or the situations in which he is dressing for so I could be totally off base.

nicely stated

-LR
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post #6 of 11
11/10/11 at 9:31am
I found this quote from the article to be somewhat interesting.


"The only thing a real man should do in the house is make love
to his wife and polish his own shoes. Everything else, the woman
should do by herself."


-LR
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post #7 of 11
11/10/11 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by ljrcustom View Post

I found this quote from the article to be somewhat interesting.
"The only thing a real man should do in the house is make love
to his wife and polish his own shoes. Everything else, the woman
should do by herself."
-LR

Words fail me.
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post #8 of 11
11/10/11 at 9:36am

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Originally Posted by MalfordOfLondon View Post


Words fail me.


He's either trying to affect a kind of provocative Dandyism, or he really is just as vain and airheaded as he looks. Can't quite be sure which... but either way, he's past his sell-by date.

 

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post #9 of 11
11/10/11 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by ljrcustom View Post

I found this quote from the article to be somewhat interesting.
"The only thing a real man should do in the house is make love
to his wife and polish his own shoes. Everything else, the woman
should do by herself."
-LR

Ed Morel only wears suede. So that leaves one.
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post #10 of 11
11/10/11 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post

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He's either trying to affect a kind of provocative Dandyism, or he really is just as vain and airheaded as he looks. Can't quite be sure which... but either way, he's past his sell-by date.

That may be what he is attempting, but his comments seem much more like he is taking male chauvinism to a whole new level of stupidity.

-LR
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post #11 of 11
11/10/11 at 1:58pm
He's a bullshitter.
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