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post #16 of 84
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Originally Posted by jefferyd View Post


Don't mean to be argumentative, but Brioni has always made their inside pockets manually- this one was done with an automated machine, then bartacked and d-tacked by machine, neither of which Brioni would ever do. I'd be almost willing to say that it's fake just based on that pocket, but I want to see a few more details first.


jefferyd is so cool.  I would love to see some kind of CSI: Textiles television show in which he investigates the authenticity of garments and gets dispatched to sartorial crime scenes to do forensics.  His blog is kind of like that, but motion pictures would be better.

post #17 of 84
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Originally Posted by sprout View Post

jefferyd is so cool.  I would love to see some kind of CSI: Textiles television show in which he investigates the authenticity of garments and gets dispatched to sartorial crime scenes to do forensics.  His blog is kind of like that, but motion pictures would be better.


He's already done that, newb rolleyes.gif
post #18 of 84
Thread Starter 

I will for sure circulate more photos of this suit as requested.  I very much appreciate all the comments.  Even the CSI one -- funny! 
 

eHaberdasher, what about: 1) the sewing/stitching on the label being off (as commented by others above); and 2) the inside collar label being solid blue rectangular tag instead of saying "Made in Italy" on a white/off white rectangular tag?    

post #19 of 84
I have purchased Brioni suits for years, and have never seen that label.

That said, this suit is not a fashion name brand that is very appealing to counterfeit - so I would say 50/50 authentic or not. Feel the fabric, check for canvassing, if it is all there, it is less likely to be a knock off. After all, if a counterfeiter is going to knock something off, they would do so on the cheap and thus more expensive suit building techniques are not likely to be employed.

If canvassed and fabric nice = possibly authentic. Further details like handworked button holes and hand stiching = further validatition of its authenticity.

Non canvassed = gauranteed knock off regardless of pick stiching etc.

EDIT: Most people have never heard of Brioni, so counterfeiting this product is unlikely to be as appealing to a fraudster as counterfeiting a Prada or Gucci item. You have to watch out for those on places like eBay. Not saying it is not possible for someone to take the tag off a tired old Brioni suit and sew it onto a newer non-Brioni suit to make a quick buck - but I would say circumstances like this are rarer than good old fashioned counterfeiting.
post #20 of 84
Thread Starter 

What's the best way to feel the fabric to see if the suit is canvassed or not?  If I am not mistaken, Brioni suits are fully canvassed? 

post #21 of 84
Grab the front near the bottom- peel the facing (the cloth on the inside) away from the front and see if you can feel a third layer between the two.
post #22 of 84
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Originally Posted by Klobber View Post

I have purchased Brioni suits for years, and have never seen that label.
That said, this suit is not a fashion name brand that is very appealing to counterfeit

Oh it is in China, the usual thing, seen and marketed here as an expensive Italian lux brand. I've seen knock-off Brioni bags and things, but not tailored garments.

Also the Brioni brand seems to be famous enough to be used for decoration on t-shirts and casual tops...
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...pretty much the same for Zegna, Armani, Prada, etc.

I suspect the Brioni brand name is actually rather famous these days, because of all their James Bond suit sponsoring and product placements.
post #23 of 84
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Originally Posted by jefferyd View Post

Nobody resewed the label- that was sewn by machine and the tension settings were screwed up.
Brioni does not make their inside pockets like that.
42 and 52 are not exactly equivalent sizes- Brioni is not likely to list anything other than the metric size on their tag, and they absolutely would have more information than that inside the pocket
How likely is an Italian-made garment to have a label that says "Made in Italy Hecho in Italia" (English and Spanish but not Italian)?
Only acetate lining shines like that, Brioni would not use acetate lining.
Shoe us some clear photos of the buttonholes (front and back), the undercollar, and how the lining was felled to the hem of the coat and I will be able to say almost conclusively if this is Brioni or not

I had/have 4 brioni sport coats, 3 of which are/were for sale. They had both 52IT and 42 US written on them...

http://www.styleforum.net/t/256698/nwt-brioni-beige-houndstooth-sport-coat-42-44us-price-drop/0_30
post #24 of 84
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Originally Posted by jefferyd View Post

Grab the front near the bottom- peel the facing (the cloth on the inside) away from the front and see if you can feel a third layer between the two.

+ 1, I will add the canvas should feel like it is free / floating. It is an easy test.
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post

Oh it is in China, the usual thing, seen and marketed here as an expensive Italian lux brand. I've seen knock-off Brioni bags and things, but not tailored garments.
Also the Brioni brand seems to be famous enough to be used for decoration on t-shirts and casual tops...

Shit, go figure. Who wudda thunk it!
post #25 of 84
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Originally Posted by Klobber View Post

+ 1, I will add the canvas should feel like it is free / floating. It is an easy test.

Shit, go figure. Who wudda thunk it!

Indeed.

BTW I've yet to see Canali or Kiton getting their brands abused in the same way. Probably happen though sooner or later.
post #26 of 84
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Originally Posted by jefferyd View Post

Grab the front near the bottom- peel the facing (the cloth on the inside) away from the front and see if you can feel a third layer between the two.

I was gonna ask you to do this on your other thread but really this was the simplest way to explain how to check for canvas. Full or half (for half just go higher). Amirite?
post #27 of 84
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

I was gonna ask you to do this on your other thread but really this was the simplest way to explain how to check for canvas. Full or half (for half just go higher). Amirite?

Would be curious for more expert opinion on the half canvas test lurker[1].gif
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BTW I've yet to see Canali or Kiton getting their brands abused in the same way. Probably happen though sooner or later.

How about Hermes? I suspect Louis Vuitton is heavily counterfeited, but not sure about Hermes - I could imagine many H belts get ripped off.
post #28 of 84
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Originally Posted by Klobber View Post

Would be curious for more expert opinion on the half canvas test lurker[1].gif
How about Hermes? I suspect Louis Vuitton is heavily counterfeited, but not sure about Hermes - I could imagine many H belts get ripped off.

Yeh I'm sure that LV is the darling of the counterfeiters. Hermes is popular as well, pretty much everything. Although where I am, it seems to be that Burberry comes in for the most abuse...
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...as seen in local stores.

The tag on a pair of 40 yuan(RMB) shorts I bought last summer...
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EDIT:

BTW there is quite an easy way to see the sort of brands and products that are getting knocked-off in China. Go to Taobao.com and search the name of the desired brand. The site is in Chinese of course, but one will get the idea.
Edited by MikeDT - 10/21/11 at 4:05am
post #29 of 84
Another easy way to tell that isn't 100% accurate in case of very thin fusing, but most likely accurate: grab just the material on the "lower quarters" below the button and then compare it to the material in the sleeves. The thickness should be identical if it's not fused. If it's canvassed, you at least know you have somewhat of a good quality jacket, whether it's Brioni or not.
post #30 of 84
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Originally Posted by sprout View Post

jefferyd is so cool.  I would love to see some kind of CSI: Textiles television show in which he investigates the authenticity of garments and gets dispatched to sartorial crime scenes to do forensics.  His blog is kind of like that, but motion pictures would be better.


lol. CSI Napoli.

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Originally Posted by JSingh View Post

2) the inside collar label being solid blue rectangular tag instead of saying "Made in Italy" on a white/off white rectangular tag?    

It's troubling but inconclusive. Only the U.S. requires country of origin labeling at the neck and since this was not made for the U.S. market (according to the seller) it does not need to have it. "Made in Italy" does carry some cachet, however, so it is very unlikely that Brioni would omit it for the rest of its production.
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