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post #46 of 138
though vintage bib fronts stopped way above the pant line, this was because men either wore cummerbunds or a matched pique vest.

since you wont be wearing either, I suggest the pique stop underneath the waistband of your pants.
it looks odd seeing the end of the bib front peaking up above your waistband
I will assume that the pique is being placed on top of the body of the shirt, and that it will not be backed with lining to stiffen the front.

did you go with a voile body?
are you putting pique on the outside of the collar and cuff?
post #47 of 138
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WTF? Are you Vox's brother or something?
post #48 of 138
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

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WTF? Are you Vox's brother or something?

Corbera and Vox form a single gestalt entity.
post #49 of 138
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Originally Posted by Sanguis Mortuum View Post

Corbera and Vox form a single gestalt entity.

More like low brow copycat
post #50 of 138
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

Are plain black wholecuts acceptable? I just think patent leather looks cheap, and pumps dont look masculine
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. . . I've heard wholecuts are not acceptable, but don't really understand why. Perhaps the lack of a stitched vamp makes them look to casual.

As far as I know, wholecuts are not worn for black tie for the same reason they are not traditional for business - that is just the way it is. A lot of these rules are really conventions, which makes them more Rule than Principle. I think wholecuts were not in the shoe repertoire, or at least not much, around the turn of the Twentieth Century when these forms were getting established. This means they were not considered rather than rejected. But if you are looking at a list of what is appropriate, that amounts to the same thing.
If one were to focus on Principles rather than Rules, I think that polished calf or patent wholecuts would look great with black-tie.

I generally wear plain toe black calf oxfords, but also black calf and bow pumps. Not that any of this gets a whole lot of use.

My most recent black tie shirt is actually a plain white poplin with a covered placket and single link cuffs, turndown collar, but I also have a sheer voile with a pleated front.
post #51 of 138
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Originally Posted by Shirtmaven View Post

though vintage bib fronts stopped way above the pant line, this was because men either wore cummerbunds or a matched pique vest.
since you wont be wearing either, I suggest the pique stop underneath the waistband of your pants.
it looks odd seeing the end of the bib front peaking up above your waistband
I will assume that the pique is being placed on top of the body of the shirt, and that it will not be backed with lining to stiffen the front.
did you go with a voile body?
are you putting pique on the outside of the collar and cuff?

What does it matter, if one assumes that a double breasted dinner jacket will not be unbuttoned these minor points are surely moot as they will never see the light of day until Foo disrobes, one hopes, in the comfort of his home and not in the public spotlight of the wedding party.
post #52 of 138
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This means they were not considered rather than rejected. But if you are looking at a list of what is appropriate, that amounts to the same thing.

What do the Rules say about the OP being the Maid of Honor?

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I generally wear plain toe black calf oxfords, but also black calf and bow pumps.

My most recent black tie shirt is actually a plain white poplin with a covered placket and single link cuffs, turndown collar, but I also have a sheer voile with a pleated front.

Braggart.
post #53 of 138
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What does it matter, if one assumes that a double breasted dinner jacket will not be unbuttoned these minor points are surely moot as they will never see the light of day until Foo disrobes, one hopes, in the comfort of his home and not in the public spotlight of the wedding party.

We're talking about mafoofan. After the first two glasses of champagne, both the jacket and the shirt are coming off.

It won't be completely obscene, though: those Thurstons are wide on the chest, so nipples will still be discreet.
post #54 of 138
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

We're talking about mafoofan. After the first two glasses of champagne, both the jacket and the shirt are coming off.
It won't be completely obscene, though: those Thurstons are wide on the chest, so nipples will still be discreet.

Just as long as he keeps his bow tie on in homage to his favourite Chippendale dancer.
post #55 of 138
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Originally Posted by Thin White Duke View Post

What does it matter, if one assumes that a double breasted dinner jacket will not be unbuttoned these minor points are surely moot as they will never see the light of day until Foo disrobes, one hopes, in the comfort of his home and not in the public spotlight of the wedding party.

he does have to unbutton the DB jacket to sit down.
post #56 of 138
Is that not a sartorial faux pas on a DB? Pretty sure that was the consensus when it came up on here recently.
post #57 of 138
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Originally Posted by Shirtmaven View Post

he does have to unbutton the DB jacket to sit down.

I think that OP can still urinate in the mens lavatory standing up despite being the Maid of Honor.
post #58 of 138
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

It's a rules issue. The point you make about the fashionability of ventless lounge suits and odd jackets reflects the more fundamental fact that vents are strictly function-oriented features and therefore less suited to more formal contexts;...

Hmmm...I guess this will mean that I should get that long vent in my evening tails sewn shut.

Just as well...I don't foresee wearing them again, so this is my chance to correct them.
post #59 of 138
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Originally Posted by Thin White Duke View Post

Is that not a sartorial faux pas on a DB? Pretty sure that was the consensus when it came up on here recently.

Faux pas is a given today in nearly any social circumstance.

That said, Foo's dinner jacket has no vents. So, it becomes a choice between unbuttoning or eating the salmon.
post #60 of 138
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Shirtmaven View Post

though vintage bib fronts stopped way above the pant line, this was because men either wore cummerbunds or a matched pique vest.
since you wont be wearing either, I suggest the pique stop underneath the waistband of your pants.
it looks odd seeing the end of the bib front peaking up above your waistband
I will assume that the pique is being placed on top of the body of the shirt, and that it will not be backed with lining to stiffen the front.
did you go with a voile body?
are you putting pique on the outside of the collar and cuff?

Funny, Geneva suggested a to-the-hem bib too, but I nixed the idea because it sounded odd to me.

Voile body with pique facings on the collar, cuffs, and bib.
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

We're talking about mafoofan. After the first two glasses of champagne, both the jacket and the shirt are coming off.
It won't be completely obscene, though: those Thurstons are wide on the chest, so nipples will still be discreet.

Of course. Without a Matuozzo shirt that night, I'll have to depend on my own natural assets for nipular expression.
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

Hmmm...I guess this will mean that I should get that long vent in my evening tails sewn shut.
Just as well...I don't foresee wearing them again, so this is my chance to correct them.

Funny funny.
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

Faux pas is a given today in nearly any social circumstance.
That said, Foo's dinner jacket has no vents. So, it becomes a choice between unbuttoning or eating the salmon.

I think I will have to unbutton. The last time I wore it, I wore it buttoned while sitting for dinner and it wrinkled across the waist rather visibly.
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