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post #16 of 51
please search for the term, zefer.
post #17 of 51
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Originally Posted by thinman
AFAIK, the Zegna Couture shoes with clusters of 3 nails on the soles are made by Mantellassi; the others are made through the joint venture with SF. I've only found one pair at SOF and they appeared very well-made (comparable to Tramezzas, which I like very much). I've never seen them at NMLC or DSW.

Good thing my Zegna monks have the three-nail clusters then...
post #18 of 51
My FAM Z Zegna Chelsea boots are the shizznit, incredibly soft and nice leather, seemingly good construction, nice design. IMHO the SF for Zegna stuff has much better designs than SF's own stuff.
post #19 of 51
Personally, I love the styling of Zegna and Ferragamo footwear (regardless of their construction merits) and would buy them before anything by John Lobb, etc., even if the latter may be better-constructed - at my age (27) I want shoes which look great and are trendy, not necessarily shoes which will last a lifetime. Gucci, Prada and Costume National too (although only the ones not made from corrected-grain leather - can't stand the shiny, plasticky look). RM Williams, too, for boots (can't leave them out, as a loyal Australian...).
post #20 of 51
I am horrified at the mention in the same thread of Tramezzas along with Calvin Klein, Gucci, Prada and Costume National. Compared to Tramezzas all of the others are frightfully overpriced rubbish. I guess someone has to pay for all that advertising.... If Sutor Mantellassi make Tramezzas the moon is made of cheese for the last shapes, contruction even sizing between them are indeed like chalk and cheese.
post #21 of 51
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Originally Posted by Sator
I am horrified at the mention in the same thread of Tramezzas along with Calvin Klein, Gucci, Prada and Costume National. Compared to Tramezzas all of the others are frightfully overpriced rubbish. I guess someone has to pay for all that advertising....

If Sutor Mantellassi make Tramezzas the moon is made of cheese for the last shapes, contruction even sizing between them are indeed like chalk and cheese.


Whoa. It depends on what level of Sutor one is discussing. Like Ferragamo they have all types of lines; however they don't produce a complete shit line like ferragamo's studio line.

Hi end Sutors are amazing shoes. In fact, probably better than Tramezza in certain ways. They also cost a ridiculous sum.

I have shoes from all 3 makers. It's a case by case basis with shoes. I do think that Zegna sometimes can get a bit pointy on the toe box, but then again that's part of their more aggressive appeal.
post #22 of 51
Agree that Suton high end is a "better" shoe, but I find the Tramezzas much more comfortable to wear. The Sutors can be a bit too stiff in the soles for me . We don't have a Zegna shop here so I haven't seen many of their shoes.

I was skeptical of Tramezzas for a long time, but having seen them and tried them on I am very impressed.
post #23 of 51
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Originally Posted by Sator
I am horrified at the mention in the same thread of Tramezzas along with Calvin Klein, Gucci, Prada and Costume National. Compared to Tramezzas all of the others are frightfully overpriced rubbish. I guess someone has to pay for all that advertising....

Depends what you use them for and where you wear them. If you're dressing up in a suit and tie, Tramezzas are a good way to go. If you're dressing up for a night on the town with a suit but no tie, perhaps at a trendy bar, however, I'd much rather wear a trendy pair of Chelsea boots by Gucci or RM Williams. Gucci and Costume National also produce some great styles of boots that go well with a pair of clean, dark jeanse. They all have a time and place...

BTW does Calvin Klein even have a footwear line?
post #24 of 51
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Originally Posted by Sator
If Sutor Mantellassi make Tramezzas the moon is made of cheese for the last shapes, contruction even sizing between them are indeed like chalk and cheese.

I don't think anyone said that but rather that Mantellassi made shoes for the Zegna Napoli Couture xxx line, not SF Tramezza.
post #25 of 51
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by EL72
Not all Zegna shoes are made to Tramezza standards. They have cheaper lines that are not as well constructed as the ones Ed showed. The good one usually have fatte a mano inscribed on the sole. The Zegna Couture shoes are excellent and well worth the $300 you can get them for on eBay imo.

I saw that logo on the pair of shoes that I was looking for at Saks. It's very nice looking and before I leave Boston, I think I'll buy it. The question is whether $415 for a pair of black lace up from Zegna is worth it?
post #26 of 51
The nice thing about Tramezza is that they are versatile shoes. They can go from business to casual with many of their styles quite nicely. They also can be found in the $300 range consisently.
post #27 of 51
I own all three, including the three different Zegna classes and here is how I would rank them based on the construction only, keeping in mind that the differences between 1-4 are tiny and mostly subjective

1. Mantellassi hand made
2. Zegna Napoli Couture ("goodyear welted" on sole, not the sole with the visible nails)
3. SF Tramezza
4. Zegna Napoli Couture (two tone sole with brass slugging)
5. Zegna "Fatte a Mano"
post #28 of 51
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Originally Posted by edmorel
I own all three, including the three different Zegna classes and here is how I would rank them based on the construction only, keeping in mind that the differences between 1-4 are tiny and mostly subjective

1. Mantellassi hand made
2. Zegna Napoli Couture ("goodyear welted" on sole, not the sole with the visible nails)
3. SF Tramezza
4. Zegna Napoli Couture (two tone sole with brass slugging)
5. Zegna "Fatte a Mano"

Thanks Ed. So are the 5. Zegna "Fatte a Mano" welted or not?
post #29 of 51
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Soph
The nice thing about Tramezza is that they are versatile shoes. They can go from business to casual with many of their styles quite nicely. They also can be found in the $300 range consisently.

Are you saying that I would be overpaying for the pair that I mentioned in the post above?
post #30 of 51
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Originally Posted by edmorel
I own all three, including the three different Zegna classes and here is how I would rank them based on the construction only, keeping in mind that the differences between 1-4 are tiny and mostly subjective

1. Mantellassi hand made
2. Zegna Napoli Couture ("goodyear welted" on sole, not the sole with the visible nails)
3. SF Tramezza
4. Zegna Napoli Couture (two tone sole with brass slugging)
5. Zegna "Fatte a Mano"

Yes, this is how I see it also.
I own all but the high end Zegna. The high end Zegna are really nice and much more rare. I see alot of ebay that try to say they are the Napoli Couture high end but you can also tell by the original price tag which is plus $1k if memory serves me right. The high end Mantellassi (plus 1k) are also more refined, leathers, details than the Tramezza. You can tell God put a little more time into them. The high end mantellassi can run with Vass, Kiton, in fact, the details and stitching may exceed to some stylistically, I like their single row of stitching versus the double seen on more clunkier shoes.etc.
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