Originally Posted by Slewfoot
I believe this is the Alt Wien model...I didn't meant that the F last is usually done without a captoe. Just that there's a noticeable difference in the look between the two. Are you sure you're not a lawyer?
completely sure. irl, i'm very pleasant... ...most of the time. it's just my patriotic vein.
according to the Ludwig Reiter patternbook, which are located in Vienna = Wien and are the producer of excellent cordovan shoes:
Wiener is with medaillon - no bevelled waist, except on customers demand with bespoke orders.
Alt-Wien is without - dito.
that's the way i've been taught it. vass just doesn't distinguish between the two names. that's all. so you're correct, that's their alt-wien model.