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Hit these with some cream, deer bone and brushing today. Eight or 9 years in. Developing a small hole in one of the soles, but otherwise a workhorse.

 

 

So glad you didn't sell those....

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I thought the Marlow ptb had been discontinued. Am I wrong?

Edit: Yes I am. I checked the website. Selling for $1K.
Edited by 89826 - 6/13/16 at 8:46pm
post #7653 of 7828
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Originally Posted by Joenobody0 View Post


Horween shells, at least the ones that aren't painted, ala Alden,very a lot batch to batch. There's no "a couple shades lighter".


Hey Joe, long time no read....

 

If what you say is true, then how do you explain this:

 

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^^^Both of those are Wingtip derbies made by CJ.  Both are made with Horween Shell Cordovan.  Both are for RL.  Same size.  But, vastly different shades.  As different as classic cigar and ravello.  

 

There most certainly has been many shifts in the way CJ makes their cordovan shoes for RL and also the shade of shell cordovan they use over the years.

 

Thanks.

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Hello,
I want to buy a pair of Marlow Tassel Loafers and need some help.
My size in CJ is UK 7.5 E, so may I try the Tassels for RL in size US 8 E? Has anyone had the chance to compare both lasts? Fitting of Marlow is sleeker with a lower vamp, righT? Many thanks.
post #7655 of 7828
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Originally Posted by likenoother View Post

Hello,
I want to buy a pair of Marlow Tassel Loafers and need some help.
My size in CJ is UK 7.5 E, so may I try the Tassels for RL in size US 8 E? Has anyone had the chance to compare both lasts? Fitting of Marlow is sleeker with a lower vamp, righT? Many thanks.

You didn't mention which last you are comparing to. I don't think I have seen the Marlow Tassels in an E width. They are the narrowest of the Pennies, wingtips, and tassels for me.
post #7656 of 7828
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Originally Posted by likenoother View Post

Hello,
I want to buy a pair of Marlow Tassel Loafers and need some help.
My size in CJ is UK 7.5 E, so may I try the Tassels for RL in size US 8 E? Has anyone had the chance to compare both lasts? Fitting of Marlow is sleeker with a lower vamp, righT? Many thanks.
FWIW I wear 8,5 E on the Cavendish and 9,5 E on the Marlow penny,
Marlow Tassel last is slightly longer and narrower.

You could try 8E but it could be on the smaller side.
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Originally Posted by Churchill W View Post

You didn't mention which last you are comparing to. I don't think I have seen the Marlow Tassels in an E width. They are the narrowest of the Pennies, wingtips, and tassels for me.

Us E Width is the standard outside US, it is a touch wider than UK E, I notice the difference only at the heels.
Edited by alexSF - 6/14/16 at 2:43pm
post #7657 of 7828
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FWIW I wear 8,5 E on the Cavendish and 9,5 E on the Marlow penny,
Tassel last is slightly longer and narrower.

You could try 8E but it could be on the smaller side.
Us E Width is the standard outside US, it is a touch wider than UK E, I notice the difference only at the heels.

The ones they sell in London is definitely E width
post #7658 of 7828
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Originally Posted by clee1982 View Post

The ones they sell in London is definitely E width

Yes, all european stores sell E width of every model, AE, Rancourt and other makers included
I've seen also Marlows in EE

Anyway these shoes are becoming a rarity, I've recently visited the new Polo Flagship in Rome, and no Marlows...(they closed the store in Milan where were stocked EG Purple Label, C&J models etc)
post #7659 of 7828
sorry, comparision is UK 7.5 E (im known to Last 325, also 341 and 348) to CJ for RL US 8 E
post #7660 of 7828
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Originally Posted by Watchman1 View Post
 

 

photo image_zpsvuywqeoa.jpg

 

 

 

 

I don't think I've been this envious in all my life.

 

I might cut off an arm and a leg for both of those pairs.

post #7661 of 7828
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Originally Posted by Watchman1 View Post


Hey Joe, long time no read....

If what you say is true, then how do you explain this:

photo image_zpsvuywqeoa.jpg


^^^Both of those are Wingtip derbies made by CJ.  Both are made with Horween Shell Cordovan.  Both are for RL.  Same size.  But, vastly different shades.  As different as classic cigar and ravello.  

There most certainly has been many shifts in the way CJ makes their cordovan shoes for RL and also the shade of shell cordovan they use over the years.

Thanks.

Not sure you read his comment correctly. He said outside of Alden horween shell varies (he spelled it "very") a lot from batch to batch. You basically just proved his point. You are in complete agreement.
post #7662 of 7828
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Originally Posted by mosy View Post


Not sure you read his comment correctly. He said outside of Alden horween shell varies (he spelled it "very") a lot from batch to batch. You basically just proved his point. You are in complete agreement.


Well, I am glad to agree with my friends on SF.

 

Here is what I am saying: The shell cordovan shoes and boots from CJ for RL have undergone many different variations of shade over the years.  Since I have been wearing them they have changed from a mid cognac to a deep cigar shade.

 

There is no way that the shades have been consistent.  The early "Polo" branded CJ's for RL are the ravello shade as pictured above.  The later are the cigar as above.

 

Thanks.

post #7663 of 7828
I heard on a different thread that the Marlow PTB and the Marlow Wingtip are on two different lasts, with the PTB on the 341 and the Wingtip on 325. Is this correct?
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One thing is certain about the CJ for RL line and that is: Nothing is certain.

 

From different lasts and different sizing paradigms to different shades of shell cordovan being used over the years...

 

Can be quite confusing...

post #7665 of 7828
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Originally Posted by Watchman1 View Post
 

One thing is certain about the CJ for RL line and that is: Nothing is certain.

 

From different lasts and different sizing paradigms to different shades of shell cordovan being used over the years...

 

Can be quite confusing...

 

said well my friend.  but did they really switch lasts over the years?

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