it occurred to me this weekend ... if you want a truly southern californian "urban" experience (ie: shopping, dining, walking, etc), check out the area around the Farmers Market/Lacma/Grove. we lived there eons ago (before the grove was even thought of), and even then it was extremely cool. great shopping and eating on third street and on beverly. great sense of the old jewish neighborhood up fairfax; an ethiopian neighborhood down fairfax. the museum area (lacma and page) is really cool. you're 5 minutes from beverly hills and 25 minutes from downtown and santa monica. but you're still in a neighborhood with lots of single-family homes and duplexes, where people have yards, etc.