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What is the deal with Borrelli?

post #1 of 19
9/18/11 at 10:25pm
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I have been following things only slightly and know there have been troubles with the law. What is the story? But they are still in business, no? Are their shirts and other clothes as good now as they were?
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post #2 of 19
9/18/11 at 10:41pm
Use search facility. The question you ask is very valid and interesting, just that this is one of those "beaten to death" topics here.

To save you time, general consensus here is Borrelli Pre 2009 > Borrelli today. No biggie though, Borrelli still a good label.
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post #3 of 19
9/19/11 at 12:06am
They had troubles (big ones), but I don't think those troubles effected the production too much. My customers buying Borrelli told me the quality is still good.
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post #4 of 19
9/19/11 at 3:16am
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Use search facility. The question you ask is very valid and interesting, just that this is one of those "beaten to death" topics here.

To save you time, general consensus here is Borrelli Pre 2009 > Borrelli today. No biggie though, Borrelli still a good label.


People keep on saying this here, but in my experience, it is not true.

As I said recently in another Borrelli thread:
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I really don't know where you guys buy your Borrelli shirts, as the ones stocked by my local menswear store are precisely the same as the pre-2009 shirts, except that the buttons are thinner. The buttons are still MoP, but they are now the same thickness as standard buttons, not the "tablet thick" buttons that Borrelli of old used to have.

The newer ones, at least the ones I have bought, still have the same visible handwork around the sleeveheads and around the collar and the buttonholes are still, supposedly, hand-stitched. My tailor reckons that the buttonholes are probably stitched by a machine which imitates hand-stitching, but then he's been saying that for several years now, so it's not a post-2009 observation.
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post #5 of 19
9/20/11 at 4:47am
When I was recently in Italy, several vendors told me that they stopped selling the new Borrelli as it was not made in Italy anymore, or just "finished" to a small degree in italy. C'est la vie.
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post #6 of 19
9/20/11 at 4:54am
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When I was recently in Italy, several vendors told me that they stopped selling the new Borrelli as it was not made in Italy anymore, or just "finished" to a small degree in italy. C'est la vie.

Interesting...
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post #7 of 19
9/20/11 at 4:57am
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Interesting...

several places in florence and naples told me that, all separately. the borrelli store in naples is still there though, going strong. couldn't find one in rome, as it seems to have closed.
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post #8 of 19
9/20/11 at 2:33pm
According to our sources, John McCoy took over the Borrelli shirt license. Shortly after Fabio did the perp walk at Pitti Uomo 2 years ago for allegedly misappropriating 50 million euro of the Italian gov'ts money, McCoy bought the license, then had Giampaolo produce the shirts. Not sure if they're still making them...

Here's the bio on McCoy:

Mr. John McCoy, II has been President of Components by John McCoy, Inc. since 1985. Mr. McCoy is Founder of Fitzgerald by John McCoy, a U.S. manufacturer of European styled clothing in 1977. In 1985, Mr. McCoy founded Components by John McCoy, Inc., a manufacturer and distributor of luxury clothing brands, including Gran Sasso, Mason's, Coast, Moncler, Lenor Romano and Alfred Dunhill. Mr. McCoy has worked within the apparel industry during the past 38 years. In 1970, he began working for Pierre Cardin's sales operations and held the position of Executive Vice President of Clothing until 1977. He has been Director of Passport Brands, Inc. since 2005.
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post #9 of 19
9/20/11 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by eHaberdasher View Post

According to our sources, John McCoy took over the Borrelli shirt license. Shortly after Fabio did the perp walk at Pitti Uomo 2 years ago for allegedly misappropriating 50 million euro of the Italian gov'ts money, McCoy bought the license, then had Giampaolo produce the shirts. Not sure if they're still making them...

Here's the bio on McCoy:

Mr. John McCoy, II has been President of Components by John McCoy, Inc. since 1985. Mr. McCoy is Founder of Fitzgerald by John McCoy, a U.S. manufacturer of European styled clothing in 1977. In 1985, Mr. McCoy founded Components by John McCoy, Inc., a manufacturer and distributor of luxury clothing brands, including Gran Sasso, Mason's, Coast, Moncler, Lenor Romano and Alfred Dunhill. Mr. McCoy has worked within the apparel industry during the past 38 years. In 1970, he began working for Pierre Cardin's sales operations and held the position of Executive Vice President of Clothing until 1977. He has been Director of Passport Brands, Inc. since 2005.

where does Giampaolo have the shirts made? Done in China but finished in Italy?
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post #10 of 19
9/20/11 at 2:56pm
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where does Giampaolo have the shirts made? Done in China but finished in Italy?

It's safer (for Chinese people) than "Done by Chinese people in Italy", and then finished in Italy. A lot of things that say "Made in Italy" are in large part assembled in Romania, or other, less desirable, parts of Europe. At this point,
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post #11 of 19
9/20/11 at 3:00pm
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It's safer (for Chinese people) than "Done by Chinese people in Italy", and then finished in Italy. A lot of things that say "Made in Italy" are in large part assembled in Romania, or other, less desirable, parts of Europe. At this point,

either way, it's not the original Borrelli anymore, but still nice handmade shirts.
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post #12 of 19
9/20/11 at 3:28pm
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It's safer (for Chinese people) than "Done by Chinese people in Italy", and then finished in Italy. A lot of things that say "Made in Italy" are in large part assembled in Romania, or other, less desirable, parts of Europe. At this point,

Aren't they meant to be changing the law on this?
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post #13 of 19
9/20/11 at 3:39pm
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Aren't they meant to be changing the law on this?

to make it more lax, not more strict.
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post #14 of 19
9/20/11 at 4:03pm
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where does Giampaolo have the shirts made? Done in China but finished in Italy?

Sorry... don't know the answer to that one... the shirts of course do have a "Made in Italy" label on them (FWIW).
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post #15 of 19
9/20/11 at 4:04pm
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to make it more lax, not more strict.

Luciano Barbera was trying to make it much more stringent for manufacturers/brands to legitimately have the "Made in Italy" designation, but I'm not sure how far he got with that endeavor...
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