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Self Edge SF/NY/LA/PDX - Japanese Denim & More (Iron Heart, 3sixteen, Flat Head, Strike Gold... - Page 349post #5222 of 64387/27/12 at 4:24pmpost #5223 of 64387/27/12 at 4:27pmQuote:Originally Posted by Dr jitsu
Mark Anthony Neal, a professor of African and African-American Studies at Duke and author of "New Black Man" (Routledge, 2005), which outlines a new model of black masculinity also posits that saggin is linked to prison homosexuality.
According to Greg Mathis, sagging was adopted from the United States prison system where belts are prohibited.Belts are sometimes prohibited to keep prisoners from using them as weapons or in committing suicide by hanging themselves.The style was later popularized by hip-hop artists in the 1990s. It has since become a symbol of freedom and cultural awareness among many youths or a symbol of their rejection of the values of mainstream society.
Mathis also states that sagging has sexual connotations in prison ("Those who pulled their pants down the lowest and showed their behind a little more raw, that was an invitation").
Sorry to prolong this absurdity, but did you read to the end of the last paragraph that you quoted?Quote:According to Snopes.com, however, this is merely an urban legend.
It's impossible to prove this one way or the other, but you're repeating it as though it's an established fact.post #5224 of 64387/28/12 at 9:58amThread StarterQuote:Originally Posted by Dr jitsu
In regards to saggin, I was not referring to the model here, as I only saw front shots (maybe I missed other shots). I did notice the bunched up bottoms which are often part of the saggin style, but there is nothing to suggest that the model was exposing his underwear or anything of that nature. I certainly was not implying anything about his sexual orientation and if I gave that impression, I apologize.
Just to be clear, I love the kind of denim that this company produces, but I cannot get my middle aged butt (and I think that the world is probably happy about that fact) into these super low slung type designs. I just wish there was a bit more availability of fuller cuts with a higher rise and a clean line down to the shoe. I like the jean long enough to reach the sole of my shoe, but not so long that it bunches. I have had the most success with fuller cut 7AM, Lucky and AG's that I then take to my tailor for alteration.
Actually, most the the styles sold at Self Edge and that are made in the "repro" style are mid-rise, even high rise, by modern standards. And "stacking", at least the current incarnation, is a holdover from Hedi Slimane's iconic jeans for Dior Homme that were especially popular in the mid 2000s. Me, I like my jeans a little looser in the top block, with a taper down to the ankle for heavier denim, and "moderate" stacking, or less taper, and a little less "stacking". This does mean that my jeans are a little more low slung than those worn by the Self Edge models, but I am also going for a different silhouette, with a slimmer top, and slightly looser bottoms - a look that I "inherited" from pictures of old martial artists (no, Virginia, it's actually impossible to do a kick in tight denim, Chuck Norris crotch stretch denim aside). What I love about denim is that you can play with the silhouette by sizing up one, or (and I never do this) sizing down one. Unlike a lot of other types of trousers, a "perfect fit," at least imo, is not particularly desirable, unless you really want to look like a male model in a Calvin Klein ad.post #5225 of 64387/28/12 at 12:11pmQuote:Originally Posted by LA Guy
Actually, most the the styles sold at Self Edge and that are made in the "repro" style are mid-rise, even high rise, by modern standards. And "stacking", at least the current incarnation, is a holdover from Hedi Slimane's iconic jeans for Dior Homme that were especially popular in the mid 2000s. Me, I like my jeans a little looser in the top block, with a taper down to the ankle for heavier denim, and "moderate" stacking, or less taper, and a little less "stacking". This does mean that my jeans are a little more low slung than those worn by the Self Edge models, but I am also going for a different silhouette, with a slimmer top, and slightly looser bottoms - a look that I "inherited" from pictures of old martial artists (no, Virginia, it's actually impossible to do a kick in tight denim, Chuck Norris crotch stretch denim aside). What I love about denim is that you can play with the silhouette by sizing up one, or (and I never do this) sizing down one. Unlike a lot of other types of trousers, a "perfect fit," at least imo, is not particularly desirable, unless you really want to look like a male model in a Calvin Klein ad.
Great post, I am glad to hear that they are higher rise and potentially fuller cut. And Bagley, thanks for pointing out the "stacking" phenomenon. I learned something today. Down the road I might look at picking up some of the jeans in this thread if they are in fact fuller cut. I still have several pairs of 7AM and AG's that need tailoring....plus the brutal heat here in Houston=no jeans for a while, but it is good to know that there is a solid company specializing in quality selvidge jeans.post #5226 of 64387/28/12 at 6:35pmanother thing about the stacking, at least for me, is the fact that it draws attention away from the fact I have skis for feet. Without all that denim around my ankles I would look ridiculous with a pair of slim cut jeans and a pair of derbies or whatever, my feet are just that long, so the extra length affords a little balance.
by the way, if you pm Kiya (self edge owner), or call any of the se stores, they are super knowledgeable with recommending cuts that work for you. Sugar Cane comes to mind if you like a fuller cut.post #5227 of 64387/30/12 at 9:41amSelf Edge x Field Trip x Flat Head Loopwheeled T-Shirt & More
We've just received a large shipment at all three stores from Flat Head and Real Japan Blues including a collaborative t-shirt between Self Edge, Field Trip, and Flat Head.
Field Trip World Is Max Bode, James Farsetta, and Jeremy Povolny. Max is an artist and former art director of The New Yorker magazine, James is a design and type specialist, and Jeremy is an illustrator and the founder of The Nursery -- an animation studio. All three decided to form as a creative entity, working with a number of clients across the globe including NASA, MTV, Toyota, Redbull, Self Edge, Miss Lily's, Okayplayer, Mad Decent, The New Yorker, The New York Times, Frank 151, and Vice Magazine to name a few. We're happy to have Field Trip design us a New York themed motorcycle tee printed on a Flat Head loopwheeled tee. Flat Head used a type of printing process which yields a thick print that cracks over time like a vintage t-shirt.
Along with these new t-shirts we've received a full restock of every Flat Head leather and silver item including all their belts, bracelets, rings, wallets, Wild Child wallets, sneakers, and even some t-shirts and short sleeve shirts. Along with those items we've gotten in a full restock of all Flat Head and RJB socks and jeans currently in production.
All these items from Flat Head and RJB are available now at all three Self Edge stores, check the online store for more photos, measurements, and spec lists.
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Shop Real Japan Blues Onlinepost #5228 of 64388/1/12 at 7:04pmpost #5229 of 64388/2/12 at 8:41amQuote:Originally Posted by mustbethejohns
Saw Andrew's tweet about some new 3sixteen+ jeans (https://twitter.com/andrew3sixteen/status/230004351404494850). When will those be available at the shop?
Those are available now at all three Self Edge stores and in our online store:
http://www.selfedge.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=714post #5230 of 64388/2/12 at 1:51pmpost #5231 of 64388/2/12 at 2:08pmQuote:
All 3sixteen+ made in Japan jeans will be $325 from now on, the reason the other models aren't that much is because they're from the original run where as any new model as it comes into stock will be $325.post #5232 of 64388/7/12 at 4:23pmpost #5233 of 64388/7/12 at 8:46pmpost #5234 of 64388/7/12 at 8:49pmIntroducing Himel Brothers Leather Horsehide Jackets
After six years of looking for the right leather jacket collection we're proud to announce the addition of a horsehide leather jacket collection at Self Edge. We bring you Himel Brothers Leather.
David Himel's passion for leather jackets grew out of a vintage clothing business that was started in 1993. The beginnings of the internet and the desire to accumulate knowledge as to which garments had value lead him to research furiously every detail of construction, heritage, and the history behind each rare piece he found. It was only after the publication of Rin Tanaka’s book Motorcycle Jackets: A Century of Design did he realize that he had been the source of so many of the jackets in the book. It was that book that metamorphosed David Himel from seller to collector and researcher of leather jackets. David's own family history had been sportswear manufacturing in the 1930s until the 1960s. Himel Brothers Leather is an homage to his grandfather and his two brothers.
David contacted the oldest schemata men left alive in his family and picked their brains on company histories, sewing techniques, and designs to understand how to make the perfect leather jacket. By working with some of the most talented and knowledgeable people in the business Himel Brothers was born out of sweat and research. David tracked down the finest and most authentic hides from the best of the best tanneries globally, sourced the finest replica zippers and accumulated old stock parts over several years. David drew upon his collections of the rarest designs and tailored each pattern by hand, making each jacket one by one using 1930s bench made techniques. The Himel Brothers Leather team are some of the finest leather craftspeople in the business and they pride themselves on trying to be the best of the best as garment makers. David Himel has sourced original machinery and parts and where none were available, found the most authentic new materials to each period of jacket. Himel Brothers believes everybody deserves to have “One Good Thing”!
We have two styles which are designed and produced exclusively for Self Edge. Both of these styles are made of horsehide and are made in extremely small numbers, one jacket at a time, with the leather even being tanned and cured exclusively for the jacket by the top tannery in the world, Japan's Shinki Leather Tannery.
Visit our online store and view the product pages which list full specifications on both jackets including measurements and hi-res photos.
Shop Himel Brothers Leather Onlinepost #5235 of 64388/7/12 at 8:53pm
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