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post #46 of 90
out of style? no

something i like the look of? no
post #47 of 90
To each their own - I have nothing against bd collars as such, but would certainly not wear a tie with a bd collar myself (unless the buttons are hidden). There is something about the combination that makes me think of a man who wears a belt and suspenders at the same time.
post #48 of 90
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Originally Posted by RSS View Post

The OP did not mention a suit. But yes, I also recall that they were invented for people playing sport ... polo in particular ... hence the terms polo collar and shirt.

Also I must admit ... when I played polo (in the 70s and 80s) we did not wear a traditional polo shirt ... but a type of knit shirt. I'll note that this was not my decision.

Edit: The above said ... I might wear one with a Brooks Brothers sack suit ... but I have not owned a sack suit since I graduated from the boys department.

You do realize that the knit shirts now almost universally known as polo shirts have been in use for the actual sport of polo since the 30s, right? The Oxfords that Brooks sells under the name are indeed what they wore before that, but they haven't been in common usage for ages.

Oxfords are perfectly acceptable in just about any but the most formal contexts, stupid posters notwithstanding.
post #49 of 90
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Originally Posted by luftvier View Post

For cereal now, the dammed BD shirt has been around since the 1890s here in the US and has been worn with suits just about as long. At this point in American menswear, one who suggests that BDs are "out of style" might as well say that navy suits are out of style.

Actually, navy's popularity as a suit color came about a decade or two later than the button down collar...
post #50 of 90
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You do realize that the knit shirts now almost universally known as polo shirts
And you realize they are technically 'tennis shirts', yes?
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Originally Posted by cptjeff View Post

You do realize that the knit shirts now almost universally known as polo shirts have been in use for the actual sport of polo since the 30s, right? The Oxfords that Brooks sells under the name are indeed what they wore before that, but they haven't been in common usage for ages.
Regarding the change from button down to knit, no, I didn't know precisely when the change occurred ... but I know that players have worn knit shits as long as I can personally remember ... which is sometime in the late 50s. My comment 'it was not my decision' was meant to be taken lightly and was feeding into the 'play' on things traditional. I should remember, tone doesn't always read.

That said, I have often heard the button down shirt referenced as a polo shirt. I certainly have photos of my father playing in them (as well as in the knit variety) and of my grandfather (exclusively in button down). But I also recall the knit shirt being commonly called a polo shirt in my younger days. Members of my family often called it (the knit variety that is) a tennis shirt ... but I recall my father playing tennis while wearing a white 'button down.' Come to think of it, I often wear a white button down when playing tennis on a cool day.

I've not taken a course in clothing history ... although I certainly know more than the great majority ... primarily via osmosis rather than, say, reading. I learned about clothing mostly from my parents & grandparents (and later my tailors); I watched what they wore. We did not discuss clothing often ... unless I asked a specific question of one of them. And naturally they selected most of my clothing until I was well into my teens.

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Oxfords are perfectly acceptable in just about any but the most formal contexts...
With American attire I'd agree. Moreover, I find it particularly common in the Deep South (I see you are in NC. I am a Southerner by birth but am also British) where traditional American attire remains quite popular. With my Savile Row suits, however, a button down collar would look quite mismatched from my point of view.

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stupid posters not withstanding.
I shall assume this was intended for others. wink.gif Yes, the level of discourse here has fallen rather dramatically of late (over the past year or two). I've also noticed more insulting tone in recent times. But I seriously doubt I'm contributing -- in any significant way -- to either trend.
Edited by RSS - 9/17/11 at 7:06pm
post #51 of 90
I too have noticed that a lot of egregious ignorance has been manifesting itself in MC of late.

Yes, the button-down collar is inherently casual in its origins. So for that matter is the lounge suit, which came into general use not long before the button-down collar.

I would wear a button-down collar with a conservative business suit if I wanted to "soften" its look somewhat (not that this would come up for me very often).

I prefer a button-down collar with a casual suit and wear them almost exclusively with sport coats. A substantial majority of my sized dress shirts are BDs.
Edited by JLibourel - 9/19/11 at 3:06pm
post #52 of 90
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

I would wear a button-down collar with a conservative business suit if I wanted to "soften" its look somewhat (not this this would come up for me very often).
J, would you not take the cut of the suit into consideration? Honestly I can see doing this with a suit from Press (or similar) or Hickey Freeman or perhaps some of what Oxxford is making ... but not with a suit from Huntsman or Richard Anderson ... even if the hacking style has similarly horsey roots. That noted, I do wear them -- although not as frequently as other types of collars -- with sport coats.
Edited by RSS - 9/17/11 at 3:21pm
post #53 of 90
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

I too have noticed that a lot of egregious ignorance has been manifesting itself in MC of late.

Yes, the button-down collar is inherently casual in its origins. So for that matter is the lounge suit, which came into general use not long before the button-down collar.

I would wear a button-down collar with a conservative business suit if I wanted to "soften" its look somewhat (not this this would come up for me very often).

I prefer a button-down collar with a casual suit and wear them almost exclusively with sport coats. A substantial majority of my sized dress shirts are BDs.

+1
post #54 of 90
I like BD shirts and wear them with and without ties.
The trend that I don't understand is men wearing a suit and tie, but leaving the neck of their shirt unbuttoned. It looks sloppy and defeats the purpose of wearing a suit IMHO.
post #55 of 90
They look okay on some people but I am not a fan. I like spread or cutaway.
post #56 of 90
I like them, but don't wear them formally for all the reasons already given. But the main problem for me are the examples where the collar is much wider than the collar stand, and so you get that ripple and lift around the collar, like this:

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(That's from An Affordable Wardrobe, so no offence intended to Giuseppi!)

Whereas this example sported by George Peppard looks neat and trim:

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But I find with a trim collar you don't need buttons to keep it in place. If the collar is interfaced, and thus stiff enough to keep its shape, the buttons are functionally superfluous. The buttons then become a matter of taste. I don't like them with a tie, but they perform well casually with no tie.
post #57 of 90
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I like them, but don't wear them formally for all the reasons already given. But the main problem for me are the examples where the collar is much wider than the collar stand, and so you get that ripple and lift around the collar, like this: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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(That's from An Affordable Wardrobe, so no offence intended to Giuseppi!)

That's the whole point of a nicely made button down - the collar roll.
post #58 of 90
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That's the whole point of a nicely made button down - the collar roll.

It's fair enough if you like them like that, I just personally find that look sloppy. Too much space around the tie for me.
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