Alright, got my 2nd remake tuxedo pants from Indochino. Last one, not going to bother with another remake, but might take it to my local tailor to see if anything else can be done. I increased the seat measurement by 1" and knee measurement by 0.5" compared to the first remake from my previous post. If I compare this from the original I've added 1.5" to seat, 0.75" to thighs, and 1' to knees.
It stills looks to be a bit tight around the upper seat, however the lower seat and thighs are starting to be baggy, and the tuxedo stripe is still pulling back.
Question for our distinguished tailors, where do you consider the standard position for seat measurement to be taken? Right under the back pockets, an inch under, 2 inches under??? Well, guess what, I have measure about 4-5" under the pocket line before I get the lie flat x2 measurement that matches the Indochino "Pant Hips" measurement. Giving the pockets also lie about 3" under the bottom of the waistband, if I were trying to add 1" to my natural seat which lies about 1-2" below the pocket line, I would actually need to add about 2" to the Indochino seat measurement!! I'm skipping the drawings and geometry explanation, but do you guys know what I mean?
This is a pattern issue right??? Indochino's pants pattern has the natural seat lie 4-5" under the pocket line, while my natural seat lies only 1-2" below the pocket line. The travesty of doing squats and deadlifts gives me this perky prominent seat.
Is my own analysis right? If so anything my local tailor can do? May take in the lower seat by reducing the upper thigh?
Seat measure is always taken at the fullest part of the hips. Waist is where you wear them. The next consideration would obviously be the rise which can be standardized but also based on preference. I can't follow the pocket geometry you're talking about but it doesn't seem like indochino can adjust the rise correctly...or can they? Anyway, the problem you're having is a combination of seat angle and perhaps rise issue. Also, possible incorrectly shaped rear fork. A bit tough with the darkness of the pics to really tell.
What's the difference in measure between your seat and waist? If it's +8 it's actually normal. +9 or higher is considered prominent. They may be cut correctly to your measurements but if it's incorrect seat angle etc, there's where you get that bagginess. Wish I could say it's that easy to fix but at this stage, it's really not.