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post #16 of 62
Wow, this is really sleazy. It's pretty clear you knew you were substantially undercharged, tried to take advantage of an innocent mistake, and are reacting poorly when reality set in and you found yourself actually having to pay what you should have been charged. As VintageGent says, you clearly knew you were trying to score free drinks off the bar by not questioning a bill that any reasonable person would realize was the product of an unintentional error (had the bartender really been trying to hook you up, he would have confirmed so and let the bill stand had you questioned it). I know drinking at bars is expensive and that getting a good deal is always nice, but to come in here and expect people to support you in throwing a fit and making yourself act the victim in a case where you're quite clearly trying to rip off an establishment is just a depressing spectacle to watch. Hopefully the bar won't just roll over and take the scam you're trying to pull.
post #17 of 62
Thread Starter 
UNfortunately for you, I signed the receipt stating "I Agree to pay above total according to my card issuer agreement". The total had the original $.41 charge and my tip plus the total of that. And I gave it to the bartender who picked it up and finished his work. My friends and did not run out of the bar at that moment. We sat back down at a table a few feet from the bar and finished our drink and then left. I find it hard to believe some of you here agree with an establishment changing their charge on your credit card behind you back. That's essentially why I'm disputing it.
post #18 of 62
A business can't change the amount on the receipt. Had they called to verify then it would be a different story, I've been stiffed at so many places, paying $7 for a drink with $0.20 worth of booze in it that I'd be damned if a bar got an extra penny from me.
post #19 of 62
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Originally Posted by Jodum5
UNfortunately for you, I signed the receipt stating "I Agree to pay above total according to my card issuer agreement". The total had the original $.41 charge and my tip plus the total of that. And I gave it to the bartender who picked it up and finished his work. My friends and did not run out of the bar at that moment. We sat back down at a table a few feet from the bar and finished our drink and then left. I find it hard to believe some of you here agree with an establishment changing their charge on your credit card behind you back. That's essentially why I'm disputing it.

There is a difference between your legal responsibility i.e. to pay the $.41 and leave and your ethical or moral responsibility to pay what you consumed. Did it ever occur to you that the waiter who made the error would get in trouble with his employer?

I agree with VG and aybojs that your whining about this now to the cc company is really in bad taste after your unethical decision to leave the restaurant knowing they undercharged you.
post #20 of 62
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Originally Posted by aybojs
Wow, this is really sleazy. It's pretty clear you knew you were substantially undercharged, tried to take advantage of an innocent mistake, and are reacting poorly when reality set in and you found yourself actually having to pay what you should have been charged. As VintageGent says, you clearly knew you were trying to score free drinks off the bar by not questioning a bill that any reasonable person would realize was the product of an unintentional error (had the bartender really been trying to hook you up, he would have confirmed so and let the bill stand had you questioned it). I know drinking at bars is expensive and that getting a good deal is always nice, but to come in here and expect people to support you in throwing a fit and making yourself act the victim in a case where you're quite clearly trying to rip off an establishment is just a depressing spectacle to watch. Hopefully the bar won't just roll over and take the scam you're trying to pull.

i'm sorry, but what is sleazy?

IMO, changing a charge once a receipt has already been issued is what is sleazy.
post #21 of 62
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Originally Posted by aybojs
So basically you are just trying to get free stuff. Maybe you might get lucky and have a manager lazy enough to just throw out a comp without checking, but for the most part, as long as they can pull a list of what you consumed and a list of drink prices, you really don't have a leg to stand on. Either way, if just for the sake of karma, please don't stoop to this just because you want free drinks.


I agree.

I read the first post a couple of times and I'm still not clear what his beef is. Where the charges wrong or not? Quibble about whether the bar screwed up the invoice doesn't mean customer deserves to be comped.
post #22 of 62
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Originally Posted by aybojs
So basically you are just trying to get free stuff. Maybe you might get lucky and have a manager lazy enough to just throw out a comp without checking, but for the most part, as long as they can pull a list of what you consumed and a list of drink prices, you really don't have a leg to stand on. Either way, if just for the sake of karma, please don't stoop to this just because you want free drinks.


I agree.

I read the first post a couple of times and I'm still not clear what his beef is. Where the charges wrong or not? Quibbling about whether the bar screwed up the invoice doesn't mean customer deserves to be comped.
post #23 of 62
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Originally Posted by Jodum5
UNfortunately for you, I signed the receipt stating "I Agree to pay above total according to my card issuer agreement". The total had the original $.41 charge and my tip plus the total of that. And I gave it to the bartender who picked it up and finished his work. My friends and did not run out of the bar at that moment. We sat back down at a table a few feet from the bar and finished our drink and then left. I find it hard to believe some of you here agree with an establishment changing their charge on your credit card behind you back. That's essentially why I'm disputing it.
Unfortunately for who? I don't think it's his bar you're trying to rip off.
Is you point the barkeep was careless? Granted. So what? As others have pointed out, you clearly knew that you'd been undercharged.
People can certainly have different opinions about whether you had an affirmative obligation to call it to their attention. But disputing the charge to your credit card to try to prevent them from correcting the belated-discovered mistake and charging you the amount you clearly were supposed to be charged seems pretty indefensible, imho.
post #24 of 62
let me say this in defense of him,
despite what the customer knew or whataever,
the fact is, a merchant charges you something small, so in response the customer pays that bill, and tips to compensate the difference in cash...
bill changes later on account and that is after the fact he has tipped to compensate.
so, should not the customer be reimbursed for one thing or the other? not that he wants to get away with anything, but one thing should be in order here.
should not the merchant be notified that there was a tip to compensate for the bill charged? if he is to pay the actual cc bill, should not the merchant reimburse the original tip?
we can play it this way as well: the merchant might have done this deliberately to take his generous tip and to change it to correct afterwards.
post #25 of 62
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Originally Posted by diorshoe
let me say this in defense of him,
despite what the customer knew or whataever,
the fact is, a merchant charges you something small, so in response the customer pays that bill, and tips to compensate the difference in cash...
bill changes later on account and that is after the fact he has tipped to compensate.
so, should not the customer be reimbursed for one thing or the other? not that he wants to get away with anything, but one thing should be in order here.
should not the merchant be notified that there was a tip to compensate for the bill charged? if he is to pay the actual cc bill, should not the merchant reimburse the original tip?
we can play it this way as well: the merchant might have done this deliberately to take his generous tip and to change it to correct afterwards.
I agree with whoever suggested that an appropriate resolution would be for the credit card issuer to adjust the bill to cover the actual amount of the bill plus whatever tip, if any, the cardholder wishes to add, less the cash provided. The problem with your analysis is that the tip was insufficient to "compensate the difference in cash".
I suppose you can "play" it any way you can imagine, but we know the OP and his friends were aware of the billing discrepancy at the time. There is nothing but speculation about this somehow being a "deliberate mistake" by the bar in the hopes of inducing a tip. Moreover, it strikes me as fairly unconvincing speculation, as a bar that makes a practice of undercharging credit card payors by something on the order of 98% of the bill in the hope that the payor will leave a cash "tip" exceeding the amount excluded from the credit card is certainly playing a mug's game.
post #26 of 62
well then, i guess i have misread it, i thought what he posted was that he tipped to compensate the actual bill.
but if he just tipped a large tip but not enough to qualify to compensate then i agree with you.

and what i was saying was not that that is a great possibility that the bar was playing this type of scam, just that i was bringing light to it hypothetically for the sake of the argument, but now that i realize above, it is moot.
post #27 of 62
Thread Starter 
I dont know about you guys but in situations were someone screws up on the job, the worker in question eats the cost and learns from it. What a worker doesn't do is realise they f-ed up and then decide that he'd just switch the agreed bill on the patron and still take the tip. Some of you here may try to twist this into some grand question on one's morality but that bullshit in my opinion.
post #28 of 62
Regardless, they can't just change the bill on you without trying to contact you. If you bought a tv for $0.41 then that would be pretty messed up but given that the bar probably still made a profit off the $10 tip, then the OP got lucky and the staff needs to be more careful.
post #29 of 62
I don't really have a problem with what you did. The restaurant fucked up, so they deserve to be out $40. Personally, i would have just tossed $5 on the table to cover the $0.41 and not had my credit card involved, but in any case, my question to you is: Why did you post here asking for advice if you were going to ignore what people said to you and dispute the charge anyways? All you did was make yourself look like an asshole to some ppl here, IMO. If you don't really care, then that's fine. In a similar, but slightly unrelated situation, my friend went to a bar here in OC a few years ago and probably ran up a $300 or so tab, then when he got home, found his CC missing. He reported it stolen and the CC reversed all the charges on the card without him even asking lol
post #30 of 62
The fact that this might have been a scam reminds me of what happened when I went to see the Bond flic the other week. I ordered 2 tickets and she printed out 3 but only gave me 2 tickets, trying to push the other one aside in a pile of receipts as if they were superfluous. Luckily I caught the total out of the corner of my eye and she refunded my credit card on the spot. I never called the manager but I meant to.
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