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Man Of Lint said:

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TheWGP said:

LOL, that's exactly the right reaction to MOL's posts here.

Not sure what set all that off, like woe said...

Jesse... is there any chance that captions could be transcribed and added in, either for the first seven episodes or the new series? I know Youtube will let you do this somehow, not sure about Vimeo. Now that I think about this, I should probably email you with questions along those lines, but the thought is out there in case anyone else would find that valuable?

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w.o.e.is.me. said:

strange reactions in here.
i very much enjoy PTO.
Good luck, guys.

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OTM said:

This show is a wonderful idea and is cleverly produced (judging from the two or three episodes I have seen).

Instructional videos like these are clearly something that is wanted by many.

However, I feel, in some ways, that the host, at least in certain situations, comes off a little condescending. I find it unfortunate, for instance, to welcome guests to the show when one is standing or sitting in the middle of their business. A more appropriate manner of introducing or beginning the conversation would, IMHO, be to thank them for participating.

In addition, I think the outfits worn by the host are too gimmicky and although they could be deemed, somehow, SF-approved, there is a limited sense of personal style. The clothes seem "too perfect", may I suggest throwing them against the wall? The outfits, overall, come of as studied, but disregarding of context. At times, the host seems almost afraid to move in the garments, fearing a wrinkle to a jacket elbow.

In general, I believe that the level of knowledge of classical men's wear, however proficient in producing, within this team is too low to be able to teach effectively and my hopes are that, when this show fails, someone more knowledgeable will realize the potential that lies in producing videos of this kind.

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OTM said:

This show is a wonderful idea and is cleverly produced (judging from the two or three episodes I have seen).

Instructional videos like these are clearly something that is wanted by many.

However, I feel, in some ways, that the host, at least in certain situations, comes off a little condescending. I find it unfortunate, for instance, to welcome guests to the show when one is standing or sitting in the middle of their business. A more appropriate manner of introducing or beginning the conversation would, IMHO, be to thank them for participating.

In addition, I think the outfits worn by the host are too gimmicky and although they could be deemed, somehow, SF-approved, there is a limited sense of personal style. The clothes seem "too perfect", may I suggest throwing them against the wall? The outfits, overall, come of as studied, but disregarding of context. At times, the host seems almost afraid to move in the garments, fearing a wrinkle to a jacket elbow.

In general, I believe that the level of knowledge of classical men's wear, however proficient in producing, within this team is too low to be able to teach effectively and my hopes are that, when this show fails, someone more knowledgeable will realize the potential that lies in producing videos of this kind.

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Ich_Dien said:

OTM said:

This show is a wonderful idea and is cleverly produced (judging from the two or three episodes I have seen).

Instructional videos like these are clearly something that is wanted by many.

However, I feel, in some ways, that the host, at least in certain situations, comes off a little condescending. I find it unfortunate, for instance, to welcome guests to the show when one is standing or sitting in the middle of their business. A more appropriate manner of introducing or beginning the conversation would, IMHO, be to thank them for participating.

In addition, I think the outfits worn by the host are too gimmicky and although they could be deemed, somehow, SF-approved, there is a limited sense of personal style. The clothes seem "too perfect", may I suggest throwing them against the wall? The outfits, overall, come of as studied, but disregarding of context. At times, the host seems almost afraid to move in the garments, fearing a wrinkle to a jacket elbow.

In general, I believe that the level of knowledge of classical men's wear, however proficient in producing, within this team is too low to be able to teach effectively and my hopes are that, when this show fails, someone more knowledgeable will realize the potential that lies in producing videos of this kind.

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I couldn't agree with more with this. PTO is very well executed, and produced, yet it really lacks any true content. What you are left with is puff pieces which don't even ask any interesting questions other than vaguely skimming over issues which are, to most sartorially inclined people, a matter of simple common sense when it comes to dressing.

All in all the main vibe of the show is that of hipsters playing dress up and having no overbearing concern for what they portray other than treating it almost like a passing fad. PTO wheels out their very own mannequin in the form of Jesse, who as noted above, really is worn by his clothes rather than the other way round, for something of a bland and almost sycophantic line of questioning without fail in every subject.

There are far better people out there who could produce a show for $60k. For heaven's sake, people like CravateNoire offer far more insight into the world of tailoring and clothing, not only with more poise and nous, but also with much more appreciation for the technical side of things. It also lacks the obligatory idol worship present in PTO, and merely lets the products speak for themselves. Not only that but they he does it for free.

What's more is that there is a stunning lack of scrutiny for programmes and blogs in similar veins to this. We know, for example, that in a similar trend Andy at Ask Andy About Clothes produces pieces about clothing that has no relevance to him other than the fact that they line his pockets - no matter what quality the product he will back it. The same can also be said for Simon Crompton of A Suitable Wardrobe. He has been exposed as writing complimentary pieces on companies in return for payment in goods and/or a discount. I wouldn't like to guess how much of his stuff he gets for free and then loves to talk about on his blog, but I know for a fact that many of his Savile Row garments have been in exchange for flattery on his blog.

Where does this leave PTO? Personally, I'd be frankly amazed if they weren't receiving something in return for featuring people or products on their show. It must be said that the show is in a remarkably similar light to those mentioned above, with blatant advertising of products and puffery for many makers and haberdashers. All in all it leaves me a little cold when the very same asks for public money to fund it. If someone like Crompton asked me to give him some money towards his next review I'd tell him to politely to go to hell.

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Ich_Dien said:

Where does this leave PTO? Personally, I'd be frankly amazed if they weren't receiving something in return for featuring people or products on their show. It must be said that the show is in a remarkably similar light to those mentioned above, with blatant advertising of products and puffery for many makers and haberdashers. All in all it leaves me a little cold when the very same asks for public money to fund it. If someone like Crompton asked me to give him some money towards his next review I'd tell him to politely to go to hell.

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YoungAmerican said:

When I look at the marketplace for men's style videos, I see two things. The first is branded content produced by and for those brands. The second is branded content produced by people other than brands. Our show is neither. I will not post either on our blog, and we have turned down money to make the latter on numerous occasions. The irony of publicly decrying viewer-supported media because you hate the effects of advertiser-supported media is truly stunning.

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YoungAmerican said:

I like to imagine that NORE is actually N.O.R.E. aka Noreaga of Capone and Noreaga.

"Aiyo we light a candle, run laps around the English Channel. / Neptunes. I got a cocker spaniel."

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