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post #196 of 263
I can't believe you are still go at it....bounce2.gif
post #197 of 263

I tried to put the point more delicately than Reevolving, but Yachtie and I got into a similar debate not even 5 posts back.

 

Suppose we were to grant that your personal style 20 years ago did not follow all these, but are you saying that your suits back then didn't have *any* of these features? That all around you this was considered popular and cool, but even then you saw this look as ugly? That no subset of these features crept into your personal wardrobe? How could the popular taste of the time not exert an influence?

 

Yachtie assures me this is the case with his own wardrobe. I can't imagine what these suits would look like now or 20 years ago, but I take him at his word. 

 

I knew this entrepreneur who had lived through the ,com era and i asked him if he had believed in the .com valuations based on eyeballs and the frictionless economy and all those other fashions of the late 90s technology boom. He told me that he would have had to be a sociopath not the believe it. That if you are involved in society, of course it would have an influence you. 

 

Now there is a whole bunch of people claiming not to be influenced by what is fashionable. The thing about clothes -- unlike, say, pottery -- is that every walk in the street, read in a magazine, or turning on of the tv exerts some influence.

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Reevolving View Post



WOW, just wow:

The delusion of the human mind at work:
  • Giant lapels
  • Gorge at your chest
  • Padded shoulders
  • Long as fuck
  • Triple Pleats
  • Cuffed pants
  • Baggy as fuck

Yup, you look like a million bucks!
Keep it up!


 

post #198 of 263
My favorite suit was made well before I was born, and I think it still looks great:

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post #199 of 263
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Originally Posted by projectrtown View Post

I tried to put the point more delicately than Reevolving, but Yachtie and I got into a similar debate not even 5 posts back.

 

Suppose we were to grant that your personal style 20 years ago did not follow all these, but are you saying that your suits back then didn't have *any* of these features? That all around you this was considered popular and cool, but even then you saw this look as ugly? That no subset of these features crept into your personal wardrobe? How could the popular taste of the time not exert an influence?

 

Yachtie assures me this is the case with his own wardrobe. I can't imagine what these suits would look like now or 20 years ago, but I take him at his word. 

 

I knew this entrepreneur who had lived through the ,com era and i asked him if he had believed in the .com valuations based on eyeballs and the frictionless economy and all those other fashions of the late 90s technology boom. He told me that he would have had to be a sociopath not the believe it. That if you are involved in society, of course it would have an influence you. 

 

Now there is a whole bunch of people claiming not to be influenced by what is fashionable. The thing about clothes -- unlike, say, pottery -- is that every walk in the street, read in a magazine, or turning on of the tv exerts some influence.

 

 

 

 



 


I understand your questions and comments however...

...I came of age in the late fifties and early sixties. In the fifties and early sixties suits were all pretty much the same and classic by today's standards. Normal sized lapels, cuffs on the pants, pleated trousers, etc. All RTW that I know of back in the fifties were fairly high quality, made in the USA clothes...fully canvassed, high quality wools, etc.

This is what I grew up with and this is what I stuck to. I started having my suits custom made in the late seventies and early eighties when you could no longer find the suits I've described. Throughout the eighties and nineties I had about forty or fifty suits made. I wore suits five days per week, sometimes six. But fifty suits in rotation each suit was only worn about five times per year, and when I gave them away in 1999 most looked nearly new.

When I started wearing suits again a couple of years ago I found a custom tailor, bought the fabrics from England and continued having the same suit made again. I am happy with the look that I have worn for forty years and don't see a need to change it.
post #200 of 263
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Originally Posted by projectrtown View Post

e. The thing about clothes -- unlike, say, pottery -- is that every walk in the street, read in a magazine, or turning on of the tv exerts some influence.

 

 

 

 



 


There are guys who've been wearing 501s since before you were born. Why would you assume the same thing couldn't happen with other pieces of clothing?

The idea that people are clay being molded on a daily basis by what the media pushes out is nice in theory. In reality look at most guys over a certain age. They drink the same beer they did in college. They dress the same way they have for years. Odds are they drive the same brand of car.

Companies don't spend so much try to hook the young just for kicks. Most people get hooked and stay hooked.

Of course look at most guys over say 50 many are still wearing the same suits they bought years ago. If they buy a new one the old ones rarely get thrown out.
post #201 of 263
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Originally Posted by projectrtown View Post

I tried to put the point more delicately than Reevolving, but Yachtie and I got into a similar debate not even 5 posts back.

 

Suppose we were to grant that your personal style 20 years ago did not follow all these, but are you saying that your suits back then didn't have *any* of these features? That all around you this was considered popular and cool, but even then you saw this look as ugly? That no subset of these features crept into your personal wardrobe? How could the popular taste of the time not exert an influence?

 

Yachtie assures me this is the case with his own wardrobe. I can't imagine what these suits would look like now or 20 years ago, but I take him at his word. 

 

I knew this entrepreneur who had lived through the ,com era and i asked him if he had believed in the .com valuations based on eyeballs and the frictionless economy and all those other fashions of the late 90s technology boom. He told me that he would have had to be a sociopath not the believe it. That if you are involved in society, of course it would have an influence you. 

 

Now there is a whole bunch of people claiming not to be influenced by what is fashionable. The thing about clothes -- unlike, say, pottery -- is that every walk in the street, read in a magazine, or turning on of the tv exerts some influence.

 

 

 

 



 


I think that for some of us what's going on with fashion is much less influential that you think:

Let's look at Reevolving's list:

Giant lapels - Proportional for me, may be too big for someone else
Gorge at your chest - gorge height is driven by the relative length of your torso and legs, mine are about a handwidth below by shoulder
Padded shoulders - some- I have a dropped shoulder with large traps and I don't like the "natural shoulder" look
Long as fuck - Don't know what "as fuck" means re:length, but I like my jacket to cover my ass, so it does
Triple Pleats - 2 pleats, either forward or reverse as it suits me
Cuffed pants - you bet, they're not jeans.
Baggy as fuck - sort of the antithesis of bespoke, I like a clean chest so I skipped the whole "drape" thing here and elsewhere.

It's really is possible to have your own look. Some will like it , others won't. Couldn't care less.
post #202 of 263
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Originally Posted by Nicola View Post


There are guys who've been wearing 501s since before you were born. Why would you assume the same thing couldn't happen with other pieces of clothing?

The idea that people are clay being molded on a daily basis by what the media pushes out is nice in theory. In reality look at most guys over a certain age. They drink the same beer they did in college. They dress the same way they have for years. Odds are they drive the same brand of car.

Companies don't spend so much try to hook the young just for kicks. Most people get hooked and stay hooked.

Of course look at most guys over say 50 many are still wearing the same suits they bought years ago. If they buy a new one the old ones rarely get thrown out.

^This. You are not going to see me wearing anything from flashy designers or with features I have not grown to appreciate. I want to wear the same damn "1930's university professor" style until I die. For example: only my dinner jackets are double breasted. Nothing wrong with DB, it is just not my thing.
post #203 of 263
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Originally Posted by mlongano View Post

You know, you might want to follow the following advice from Mark Twain:
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"

You must be new here.....
post #204 of 263
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

My favorite suit was made well before I was born, and I think it still looks great:

avengers-waist-1.gif

3 buttons is laughed off this forum.
Get with the FASHION !
post #205 of 263

 

I got the impression that people were claiming that their wardrobes are timeless. Not that their tastes don't change.

 

It is one thing to claim that you have the same taste you developed 20 years ago, but its another to say that the clothes "look the same." Our perceptions are not what they used to be.

 

Some of these looks definitely look dated the way "big hair" from the 80s looks dated. The two obvious examples are large, padded shoulders and a boxy cut. Personally, I find that I don't like pleats anymore -- and I had tons of pleated pants. I used to think they lent formality and help you set them apart from casual pants. They don't look nice to my eye anymore. I can live with lapel sizes, etc.

 

To put it another way, you wouldn't argue that these people look fashionable the way you would not argue that people who drink the same beer are connoisseurs. (Did they miss the microbrewery rage?) Its not a judgement on the person, they are just doing what they like.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Nicola View Post



There are guys who've been wearing 501s since before you were born. Why would you assume the same thing couldn't happen with other pieces of clothing?

The idea that people are clay being molded on a daily basis by what the media pushes out is nice in theory. In reality look at most guys over a certain age. They drink the same beer they did in college. They dress the same way they have for years. Odds are they drive the same brand of car.

Companies don't spend so much try to hook the young just for kicks. Most people get hooked and stay hooked.

Of course look at most guys over say 50 many are still wearing the same suits they bought years ago. If they buy a new one the old ones rarely get thrown out.
 


 

post #206 of 263
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicola View Post

There are guys who've been wearing 501s since before you were born.
Why would you assume the same thing couldn't happen with other pieces of clothing?

Have you seen jeans from 20 years ago?
Acid washed.
Stone washed.
High waisted.
Pleated.
Bell bottoms.
High rise.
Low rise.
Light blue.
Dark blue
Medium blue
Dad jeans.
Mom jeans

Jeans are just another form of style.
People at SF replace their jeans every 2-3 years.
Jeans from 4 years ago look comically outdated, and are laughed off SF.
Get with the FASHION!

In fact, here are some awesome 501s from 20 years ago.
Rock on, you delusional "timeless gentleman"....
This Bud's for you!

700
700
post #207 of 263
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Originally Posted by yachtie View Post

It's really is possible to have your own look. Some will like it , others won't. Couldn't care less.

Pee Wee Herman also has his own look
Here's a "timeless gentleman" phone to go with your suits.
Welcome to SF !

700
post #208 of 263
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Originally Posted by Reevolving View Post

3 buttons is laughed off this forum.
Get with the FASHION !

Geez- And here I am thinking about something like this:

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It's more fun to make fashion, than follow it.
post #209 of 263
Let's have another Steed picture, just because there's been a dearth lately.

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post #210 of 263
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reevolving View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by yachtie View Post

It's really is possible to have your own look. Some will like it , others won't. Couldn't care less.

Pee Wee Herman also has his own look
Here's a "timeless gentleman" phone to go with your suits.
Welcome to SF !

700

I've been here a good deal longer than you, boyo.

Better sign off, your momma's calling.
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