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post #136 of 263
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Originally Posted by yachtie View Post


And how in the hell would you know how long a good suit lasts?

oh, thats right, I forgot only you can afford good suits right?
post #137 of 263
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post

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And how in the hell would you know how long a good suit lasts?

oh, thats right, I forgot only you can afford good suits right?

Not only me, but certainly not you; by your own admission.
post #138 of 263
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Originally Posted by yachtie View Post


Not only me, but certainly not you; by your own admission.

Did I admit that?

Please show me, using quotes, where I said that.

thanks.
post #139 of 263
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post

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Not only me, but certainly not you; by your own admission.

Did I admit that?

Please show me, using quotes, where I said that.

thanks.

Memory troubles? I'm not your secretary.
post #140 of 263

The problem with this argument is that none of my suits from even 10 years ago are in style. Those thick padded shoulders look awful. Also, I prefer the leaner, closer cut that is currently in vogue. I would rather buy a new $500 suit that is perfectly fits every 5 years than have the $1500 suit that lasts 15. (I think I wear suits less often than you so my calculus is different).

 

 

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Originally Posted by yachtie View Post

Here's a hint:
Amortize your $3000 bespoke suit over 15 years (average lifetime )
Amortize your $300 suit over 2 years (about when the fusing starts to go)

Which is a better deal?


 

post #141 of 263
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


You think people earning $25k per year can afford $1k to $2k suits.

Thats a full month's income.

I say:

Under 25K> $300 suits
$25k-$50k> $500 suits
$50k-$100k> $800-$1000 suits
$100k-$150k> $1k to $2k
$150k+ $2k+

This assumes things like living expenses are commensurate with income. Obviously someone who scrimps on other stuff to buy a nicer suit could afford more.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


dude, what?

Lets say someone makes $60k, so $5k a month. Take out taxes, a little for health insurance and some 401(k), and you're basically in the $3,500 take home. I consider once in a while to be about twice a year. Thats near as makes no difference, 2 whole months salary on 2 suits.

no.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


Your personal dream is a bespoke SR suit? Really? Thats what you dreamed about as a kid?

Maybe waiting until you can truly afford it would make more sense?
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post

I don't quite get the point of your argument.

If you need a suit, you buy a suit, if you need a watch you buy a watch.

I'm not sure where the comparison should be taken into account given that the two are not remotely similar despite being the same price.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


Well yes and no. There is also savings to consider. Back when I made $50k, I know that I would have much rather saved an additional $1000 rather than buy a needless $1,500 suit over a perfectly acceptable $500 suit.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


bullshit to the max.

Obviously a $500 suit will not have quite the same construction or handiwork as a $1,500 suit (in some cases anyway), but there are plenty of $500 suits that are acceptable. Lets also consider that what is acceptable for a person making $50,000 is not the same as whats acceptable to C-suite executives.

For example, the fully canvassed Benjamin suits offered by ehaberdasher. $495. Nice look, decent fabrics, pretty solid construction...easily acceptable, and definitely nicer than what 70% of the men in the working world wear.

I know you're trying to sell your little tailoring service, but don't act like you can't get an acceptable suit for $500.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


wow, how many dumb things can you say in one post?

incredible
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Why? Because we on this forum spend at least one level of magnitude more than the average person on clothing. High end suits are about the fabric and the fit. I've never had a suit fall apart, bubble badly, or generally wear out before I either got tired of it or didn't fit into it. Now, there is no guarantee a $2,000 suit will fit me any better than a $500 suit. That brings us down to fabrics. Yes, one is nicer than the other, clearly, no question. But so what? Its not like $500 suits are made of rags sold by the homeless man on the street corner. I've had many a $500 suit that look nice, feel nice to the touch, and have been durable. In fact, I'm quite pleased with the fabric on a $290 Charles Tyrwhitt suit. I know I know, you wouldn't be caught dead in such a piece of shit, but you know what, I don't care. Finally the construction. Yes, the fully canvassed suit will drape and conform better, but if the suit fits properly, then even a fused or half canvassed suit will look quite nice. As you should know, fit trumps all.

To get back to the point. A person earning $50k is likely one to be fresh out of college, working in an entry level job. As someone with probably a few thousand in student loans (at least) and basically zero job security, it would be reckless for them to purchase a $1000+ suit. Nor is it anywhere near acceptable. Like I said, whats acceptable for this person is not necessarily acceptable for a CEO (although I've seen CEOs in cheap shitty suits.).

To make a long story short, cut the BS.



Sometimes, hell most times you do. And I haven't seen anyone argue otherwise. But for someone to think a $500 suit is not acceptable for a 22 year old entry level "enter generic title here", is flat out bullshit.



Agreed. If I had endless amounts of money, sure I'd care whether the stitching on the horsehair was perfectly straight and the buttonhole had perfect symmetry, but at this point in my life, these details are 100% meaningless.



Once again agreed. Not to mention, I'd rather spend the money on a track day with my 911 turbo then get a hand-stitched lapel on a suit. Some details don't matter to me or others. As long as I look good, and feel good in what I'm wearing, I don't care if it was $20 or $20,000.


yup
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


You are full of shit. Sorry.

1. Renters? Really? You're really going to bring that up now? Lets say you, being the financial master that you are, bought a house in nevada, california, florida, michigan, or a dozen other states, which is now worth precisely dick. How does home ownership have any relevance here? Its no longer the sure fire way to gain wealth that it once was. Renting works for some people, and there is absolutely no reason why a guy who earns $500k and rents a $4,000 a month apartment in NYC should be buying $300 suits. Stupid generalization.

2. Now one needs a $500k net worth before they can spend $1,000 on a suit or cordovan shoes? Let me guess, this person should also drive a Kia Rio, live in a shanty, and have a 19" tube TV.

3. $250k gross, is about $11,460 per month...net. So even with lets call it a $5,000 a month mortgage/escrow payment, another $2k in food/utilities/necessities, that leaves you with about $4,500 a month. So you don't think this person can't spare the occasional $2k. God forbid he saves only $2,500 one month a year.

Delayed gratification is great...but delay too long and the only $2000 suit you'll be wearing will be for your funeral.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


oh god, another of these arguments. BS, just like the argument that cole haans fall apart in 6 months and Edward Greens will last into the next millennium with a resole every 60 years.


Modern fused suits do not fall apart in 2 years unless you wear it every single day. And if you wear your bespoke suit every single day, its not lasting 15 years either.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


I did a simple one:

$2,500 one bedroom rent

Same apartment priced at $700,000, 4.25% mortgage with 20% down. Assuming 2% annual home appreciation (yeah right), and 3% annual rent increase, it would take 18 years before owning is better than buying.

I'm not sure about you, but I just bought my first place at 27, and I damn sure don't expect to live here in 18 years.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


oh, thats right, I forgot only you can afford good suits right?
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


Did I admit that?

Please show me, using quotes, where I said that.

thanks.

Ok chief, I quoted every post I made in this thread.

please share where I said that I can not afford a good suit?
post #142 of 263
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post

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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


You think people earning $25k per year can afford $1k to $2k suits.

Thats a full month's income.

I say:

Under 25K> $300 suits
$25k-$50k> $500 suits
$50k-$100k> $800-$1000 suits
$100k-$150k> $1k to $2k
$150k+ $2k+

This assumes things like living expenses are commensurate with income. Obviously someone who scrimps on other stuff to buy a nicer suit could afford more.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


dude, what?

Lets say someone makes $60k, so $5k a month. Take out taxes, a little for health insurance and some 401(k), and you're basically in the $3,500 take home. I consider once in a while to be about twice a year. Thats near as makes no difference, 2 whole months salary on 2 suits.

no.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


Your personal dream is a bespoke SR suit? Really? Thats what you dreamed about as a kid?

Maybe waiting until you can truly afford it would make more sense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post

I don't quite get the point of your argument.

If you need a suit, you buy a suit, if you need a watch you buy a watch.

I'm not sure where the comparison should be taken into account given that the two are not remotely similar despite being the same price.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


Well yes and no. There is also savings to consider. Back when I made $50k, I know that I would have much rather saved an additional $1000 rather than buy a needless $1,500 suit over a perfectly acceptable $500 suit.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


bullshit to the max.

Obviously a $500 suit will not have quite the same construction or handiwork as a $1,500 suit (in some cases anyway), but there are plenty of $500 suits that are acceptable. Lets also consider that what is acceptable for a person making $50,000 is not the same as whats acceptable to C-suite executives.

For example, the fully canvassed Benjamin suits offered by ehaberdasher. $495. Nice look, decent fabrics, pretty solid construction...easily acceptable, and definitely nicer than what 70% of the men in the working world wear.

I know you're trying to sell your little tailoring service, but don't act like you can't get an acceptable suit for $500.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


wow, how many dumb things can you say in one post?

incredible
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


Why? Because we on this forum spend at least one level of magnitude more than the average person on clothing. High end suits are about the fabric and the fit. I've never had a suit fall apart, bubble badly, or generally wear out before I either got tired of it or didn't fit into it. Now, there is no guarantee a $2,000 suit will fit me any better than a $500 suit. That brings us down to fabrics. Yes, one is nicer than the other, clearly, no question. But so what? Its not like $500 suits are made of rags sold by the homeless man on the street corner. I've had many a $500 suit that look nice, feel nice to the touch, and have been durable. In fact, I'm quite pleased with the fabric on a $290 Charles Tyrwhitt suit. I know I know, you wouldn't be caught dead in such a piece of shit, but you know what, I don't care. Finally the construction. Yes, the fully canvassed suit will drape and conform better, but if the suit fits properly, then even a fused or half canvassed suit will look quite nice. As you should know, fit trumps all.

To get back to the point. A person earning $50k is likely one to be fresh out of college, working in an entry level job. As someone with probably a few thousand in student loans (at least) and basically zero job security, it would be reckless for them to purchase a $1000+ suit. Nor is it anywhere near acceptable. Like I said, whats acceptable for this person is not necessarily acceptable for a CEO (although I've seen CEOs in cheap shitty suits.).

To make a long story short, cut the BS.



Sometimes, hell most times you do. And I haven't seen anyone argue otherwise. But for someone to think a $500 suit is not acceptable for a 22 year old entry level "enter generic title here", is flat out bullshit.



Agreed. If I had endless amounts of money, sure I'd care whether the stitching on the horsehair was perfectly straight and the buttonhole had perfect symmetry, but at this point in my life, these details are 100% meaningless.



Once again agreed. Not to mention, I'd rather spend the money on a track day with my 911 turbo then get a hand-stitched lapel on a suit. Some details don't matter to me or others. As long as I look good, and feel good in what I'm wearing, I don't care if it was $20 or $20,000.


yup
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


You are full of shit. Sorry.

1. Renters? Really? You're really going to bring that up now? Lets say you, being the financial master that you are, bought a house in nevada, california, florida, michigan, or a dozen other states, which is now worth precisely dick. How does home ownership have any relevance here? Its no longer the sure fire way to gain wealth that it once was. Renting works for some people, and there is absolutely no reason why a guy who earns $500k and rents a $4,000 a month apartment in NYC should be buying $300 suits. Stupid generalization.

2. Now one needs a $500k net worth before they can spend $1,000 on a suit or cordovan shoes? Let me guess, this person should also drive a Kia Rio, live in a shanty, and have a 19" tube TV.

3. $250k gross, is about $11,460 per month...net. So even with lets call it a $5,000 a month mortgage/escrow payment, another $2k in food/utilities/necessities, that leaves you with about $4,500 a month. So you don't think this person can't spare the occasional $2k. God forbid he saves only $2,500 one month a year.

Delayed gratification is great...but delay too long and the only $2000 suit you'll be wearing will be for your funeral.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


oh god, another of these arguments. BS, just like the argument that cole haans fall apart in 6 months and Edward Greens will last into the next millennium with a resole every 60 years.


Modern fused suits do not fall apart in 2 years unless you wear it every single day. And if you wear your bespoke suit every single day, its not lasting 15 years either.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


I did a simple one:

$2,500 one bedroom rent

Same apartment priced at $700,000, 4.25% mortgage with 20% down. Assuming 2% annual home appreciation (yeah right), and 3% annual rent increase, it would take 18 years before owning is better than buying.

I'm not sure about you, but I just bought my first place at 27, and I damn sure don't expect to live here in 18 years.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


oh, thats right, I forgot only you can afford good suits right?
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


Did I admit that?

Please show me, using quotes, where I said that.

thanks.

Ok chief, I quoted every post I made in this thread.

please share where I said that I can not afford a good suit?

Good for you! Next you can take reading lessions as that's not what I said.
post #143 of 263
this turns more and more interesting
post #144 of 263
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Originally Posted by projectrtown View Post

The problem with this argument is that none of my suits from even 10 years ago are in style. Those thick padded shoulders look awful. Also, I prefer the leaner, closer cut that is currently in vogue. I would rather buy a new $500 suit that is perfectly fits every 5 years than have the $1500 suit that lasts 15. (I think I wear suits less often than you so my calculus is different).

 

 



 


If you're going by fashion, then it makes sense to buy cheap . The whole RTW industry is driven by it.

"A fashion is merely a form of ugliness so unbearable that we are compelled to alter it every six months."
Oscar Wilde
post #145 of 263


Public service interpretation: Yachtie meant that Quadcammer could not tell how long a suit may last "by his own admission", not that he didn't own a good suit "by his own admission."

And this was because he was referring to his own post, and not Quadcammer's response.

Carry on.

 

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Good for you! Next you can take reading lessions as that's not what I said.


 



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Ok chief, I quoted every post I made in this thread.

please share where I said that I can not afford a good suit?


 

post #146 of 263

You can call it fashion, but I called it style. Your aesthetic sensibilities change ("evolve" would be a biased term) over time. So I put the question to you: Do you prefer the boxy, thick shouldered look from 10 years ago? Wouldn't you prefer a leaner suit now? 
 

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Originally Posted by yachtie View Post



If you're going by fashion, then it makes sense to buy cheap . The whole RTW industry is driven by it.

"A fashion is merely a form of ugliness so unbearable that we are compelled to alter it every six months."
Oscar Wilde
 


 

post #147 of 263
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Originally Posted by projectrtown View Post

You can call it fashion, but I called it style. Your aesthetic sensibilities change ("evolve" would be a biased term) over time. So I put the question to you: Do you prefer the boxy, thick shouldered look from 10 years ago? Wouldn't you prefer a leaner suit now? 
 



 


It's true that your taste may change over time, but (ideally) this is driven by your changing status, body type, and age, rather than changes in fashion trends. Since what looks good on you is determined by your personality, body type, and complexion, not what Prada is selling right now. The personal changes I mentioned generally move much slower than fashion trends. So to answer your question, personally, I never was into the boxy thick shouldered look...nor am I into the superskinny lapels now. I bought a fair number of suits 10 years ago when I was finishing college. With one exception which was a suit that was more for going out than for business, and doesn't really look right on the 30-year old me like it did on the 20-year old me, I would gladly put on any of these suits tomorrow. So I think yachtie had it right - if you're going for a look that's "edgy" or whatever you want to call a more fashion-type look, then yes, you'll have to change your wardrobe every 5 years to stick with the times. But if you're going for a classic men's look while avoiding the caricature of many fashion suits, your suits will likely not go out of style. Witness any number of fashion icons of yesteryear - when you look at pictures of, say, Cary Grant, do you ever think to yourself, wow, THAT would look terrible today....
post #148 of 263
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Originally Posted by projectrtown View Post

You can call it fashion, but I called it style. Your aesthetic sensibilities change ("evolve" would be a biased term) over time. So I put the question to you: Do you prefer the boxy, thick shouldered look from 10 years ago? Wouldn't you prefer a leaner suit now? 
 



 


No value judgment implied. I haven't bought RTW for a very long time so my suits are neither the look of 10 years ago nor are they the look of now. My "look" is to suit my aesthetic and the peculiarities of my body.

As to aesthetic sensabilities changing, sure. I ordered my older suits with significant cutaway on the fronts and now I'm trying square fronts. I still wear the older stuff but those desicions are mine, not some fashion designer's.
post #149 of 263
What a fantastic troll thread this has become.
post #150 of 263
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