Originally Posted by David Reeves
I don't see why someone who bothers to participate in a clothing forum, would think this about suits. Surely someone who goes on a forum like this would value clothing and prioritize it as a spend more than the "average joe"?
I really cant see a $500 suit being acceptable for all kinds of reasons, 1k on sale yes but anything else forget it. I was wearing $500 (and thats what i paid) suits when I was an art student, I was 19 and it was the 90s. Your talking about little boys suits, or suits for people that don't care about clothes.
Why? Because we on this forum spend at least one level of magnitude more than the average person on clothing. High end suits are about the fabric and the fit. I've never had a suit fall apart, bubble badly, or generally wear out before I either got tired of it or didn't fit into it. Now, there is no guarantee a $2,000 suit will fit me any better than a $500 suit. That brings us down to fabrics. Yes, one is nicer than the other, clearly, no question. But so what? Its not like $500 suits are made of rags sold by the homeless man on the street corner. I've had many a $500 suit that look nice, feel nice to the touch, and have been durable. In fact, I'm quite pleased with the fabric on a $290 Charles Tyrwhitt suit. I know I know, you wouldn't be caught dead in such a piece of shit, but you know what, I don't care. Finally the construction. Yes, the fully canvassed suit will drape and conform better, but if the suit fits properly, then even a fused or half canvassed suit will look quite nice. As you should know, fit trumps all.
To get back to the point. A person earning $50k is likely one to be fresh out of college, working in an entry level job. As someone with probably a few thousand in student loans (at least) and basically zero job security, it would be reckless for them to purchase a $1000+ suit. Nor is it anywhere near acceptable. Like I said, whats acceptable for this person is not necessarily acceptable for a CEO (although I've seen CEOs in cheap shitty suits.).
To make a long story short, cut the BS.
Originally Posted by dbc
You get what you pay for.
Sometimes, hell most times you do. And I haven't seen anyone argue otherwise. But for someone to think a $500 suit is not acceptable for a 22 year old entry level "enter generic title here", is flat out bullshit.
Originally Posted by mrclam
not everyone visiting a clothing forum thinks having more handiwork/construction is worth the premium that it comes with. If the suit fits you well and makes you look good; what other criteria are necessary for a suit to be acceptable? does it need to be hand crafted by someone on savile row to be considered acceptable? the reason that most people go bespoke is for the fit - if you have average proportions, and can get an OTR suit that fits you well, what's wrong with that?
Agreed. If I had endless amounts of money, sure I'd care whether the stitching on the horsehair was perfectly straight and the buttonhole had perfect symmetry, but at this point in my life, these details are 100% meaningless.
Originally Posted by hellodocks
You get the people who care immensely about clothing yet aren't in the financial position to afford what they know to be appropriate. That was me until very recently ago. Why must you prod him so fiercely? His point is valid. Young people or the less-well-to-do among us do not enjoy the privilege of much disposable income, and when someone sees how much they can get for their money versus an expensive suit, sometimes people don't make the same decision you would.
Once again agreed. Not to mention, I'd rather spend the money on a track day with my 911 turbo then get a hand-stitched lapel on a suit. Some details don't matter to me or others. As long as I look good, and feel good in what I'm wearing, I don't care if it was $20 or $20,000.
Originally Posted by mrclam
I never said there wasn't a difference, but are you suggesting that someone on SF just out of college needs to buy bespoke in order to have an acceptable suit? What is the average age of your clientele? I would say that your position is unreasonable for anybody with limited financial means, which is going to be a large percentage of this forum.