If there even is such a thing... I was at a Jay's game today, first time in a long time since I've been to a game, and a group behind me had one man using profanity throughout casual conversation about the game and lack of ability on the part of the Jay's (they lost 12-0 so it may well have been deserved). Not surprising, however, there were many young children around, boys and girls from ages 4-12 I'd say. What do you think, is it too bad, so sad for the parents for brining their family to the game or do you think fans should watch what they say at a game like this and treat it more like an amusement park or other like places where you might expect to see families out with young kids?
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Baseball field/park/stadium etiquette?
post #2 of 21
8/28/11 at 3:35pm
post #3 of 21
9/4/11 at 12:58pm
Aren't there family sections at the Skydome?
If people are that worried, they can go up to the Sightlines/Windows level
I go to Toronto FC games and have sat in the family section. I refrain from screaming "get up you f**king c*nt" with kids within an earshot. But to be honest, those family sections often go empty and tickets are handed out to groups of (usually) drunken people.
Perhaps the problem is whether it is an exciting game. I reckon if the performance was better, more people would be focused on the game.
If people are that worried, they can go up to the Sightlines/Windows level

I go to Toronto FC games and have sat in the family section. I refrain from screaming "get up you f**king c*nt" with kids within an earshot. But to be honest, those family sections often go empty and tickets are handed out to groups of (usually) drunken people.
Perhaps the problem is whether it is an exciting game. I reckon if the performance was better, more people would be focused on the game.
post #4 of 21
9/5/11 at 1:53pm
Yes, people should watch their mouth when they are around kids. I find this is a pretty good judge of character. This is one of the few situations where other people are practically forced to listen to you because they bought tickets, whereas in almost any other social situation they could walk away, drive away, get a different table, etc.
I was at a Packers game a couple where one of the college kids behind us was drunk and using foul language constantly. He made a little girl sitting in our row cry.
One of the good things about Lambeau Field is that every seat is owned by a season ticket holder and the waiting list for season tickets is something like 40yrs long. So if people misbehave, then they tend to just revoke their season ticket status. This helps to keep people in line unless they have been tailgating too hard before the game. Thankfully, the three guys at the Packers game got kicked out in the 3rd quarter.
I was at a Packers game a couple where one of the college kids behind us was drunk and using foul language constantly. He made a little girl sitting in our row cry.
One of the good things about Lambeau Field is that every seat is owned by a season ticket holder and the waiting list for season tickets is something like 40yrs long. So if people misbehave, then they tend to just revoke their season ticket status. This helps to keep people in line unless they have been tailgating too hard before the game. Thankfully, the three guys at the Packers game got kicked out in the 3rd quarter.
post #5 of 21
9/7/11 at 6:06am
This, to me, is one of those things that can be solved by simply being considerate of others. If it's going to help someone enjoy the game with their kids, why not watch your mouth? It's not going to ruin the game for you if you can't cuss the players, but it might mess up some family's day out.
This is one of the most absurd statements I've read on SF in a while. You're really, really saying that ballparks aren't for children/families? Baseball, in particular, is a sport that thrives on father-son-at-their-first-game-together nostalgia. I mean, teams offer "family packs" of tickets, and they have have policies that state their intention to create a "family friendly" atmosphere.
I understand that the ballpark is a place to drink and catch a game with friends, but it's asinine to pretend that the beer-and-buddies demographic has some entitlement to live sports.
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Originally Posted by bkstone 
Well it should expected that there will be profanity. While I personally don't use profanity around children, a stadium is really not child friendly and this is where people come to drink, enjoy the game, and there is slightly more displays of aggression than say a amusement park.


Well it should expected that there will be profanity. While I personally don't use profanity around children, a stadium is really not child friendly and this is where people come to drink, enjoy the game, and there is slightly more displays of aggression than say a amusement park.

This is one of the most absurd statements I've read on SF in a while. You're really, really saying that ballparks aren't for children/families? Baseball, in particular, is a sport that thrives on father-son-at-their-first-game-together nostalgia. I mean, teams offer "family packs" of tickets, and they have have policies that state their intention to create a "family friendly" atmosphere.
I understand that the ballpark is a place to drink and catch a game with friends, but it's asinine to pretend that the beer-and-buddies demographic has some entitlement to live sports.
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9/7/11 at 10:18am
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9/7/11 at 10:50am
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post #8 of 21
9/7/11 at 1:03pm
A rather drunk guy was running his mouth behind my family at a minor league baseball game about 3 years ago and finally I had enough. I am fine with occasional curse words, especially in the heat of the moment (a bad play, a poor call, etc.) but this guy was going on and on about some dumb story that had nothing to do with the game.
I turned around and asked him politely to stop cursing. As you might guess, he told me to "f*ck off" and took a swipe at my head. I grabbed his shirt and pulled him down about three rows on his head. He got up wanting to fight and told him to bring it on. Then I kicked him in the face when he grabbed my leg. Guy had a busted lip and a bloody nose. This guy's friends thought the whole thing was hilarious.
No, I am not kidding.
I spent about 4 hours in jail, but the guy did not press charges. The cop at the game put in a good word for me and the drunk guy sobered up and realized that he was an asshole.
The worst part? My kids saw this happen. Them seeing me fight some guy was MUCH more traumatic than any curse words might have been. I have talked to them about how I was wrong, etc.
Moral of the story? If you run your mouth at an event with kids, be prepared for a father to get pissed and act irrationally.
I turned around and asked him politely to stop cursing. As you might guess, he told me to "f*ck off" and took a swipe at my head. I grabbed his shirt and pulled him down about three rows on his head. He got up wanting to fight and told him to bring it on. Then I kicked him in the face when he grabbed my leg. Guy had a busted lip and a bloody nose. This guy's friends thought the whole thing was hilarious.
No, I am not kidding.
I spent about 4 hours in jail, but the guy did not press charges. The cop at the game put in a good word for me and the drunk guy sobered up and realized that he was an asshole.
The worst part? My kids saw this happen. Them seeing me fight some guy was MUCH more traumatic than any curse words might have been. I have talked to them about how I was wrong, etc.
Moral of the story? If you run your mouth at an event with kids, be prepared for a father to get pissed and act irrationally.
post #9 of 21
9/7/11 at 2:31pm
at wriggley field there seems to be a lot of security. I was at a game last year when somebody was yelling at somebody else, and then he seemed to calm down very quickly when a security guy came up. I think that ball parks are for families, and I think that kids shouldn't have to hear foul language yelled repeatedly. I think that if I was in that situation I would ask the offender to use cleaner language, and then try to leverage secuirty.
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9/7/11 at 5:05pm
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Originally Posted by globetrotter 
at wriggley field there seems to be a lot of security. I was at a game last year when somebody was yelling at somebody else, and then he seemed to calm down very quickly when a security guy came up. I think that ball parks are for families, and I think that kids shouldn't have to hear foul language yelled repeatedly. I think that if I was in that situation I would ask the offender to use cleaner language, and then try to leverage secuirty.

at wriggley field there seems to be a lot of security. I was at a game last year when somebody was yelling at somebody else, and then he seemed to calm down very quickly when a security guy came up. I think that ball parks are for families, and I think that kids shouldn't have to hear foul language yelled repeatedly. I think that if I was in that situation I would ask the offender to use cleaner language, and then try to leverage secuirty.
*I* don't want to hear constant foul language and I don't have any kids. It's just not a pleasant environment to listen to some drunken (or not) moron screaming profanity for 3+ hours. It's a public environment, people should behave with at least a modicum of decorum.
post #13 of 21
9/8/11 at 1:33am
post #14 of 21
9/8/11 at 7:13am
I didn't realize we had so many parenting experts here on SF. I'm particularly fond of the fact that everyone seems to think that they have a license to say whatever they want because kids "are going to hear it anyway." Is that seriously the best you can come up with?
My point is not that kids can, or even should, be sheltered entirely from profanity. What I'm saying is that there's no reason for people to be obstinate shitheads. Odds are any parent isn't going to want to have their child exposed to gratuitous obsecenity, why not just clean up your language when there are kids around? I'm not saying no bad words are going to slip out in the heat of the moment, but that's not the same as nonstop profanity.
Like I stated above, it's not going to ruin your experience if you avoid letting loose streams of obscenities when something doesn't go your team's way, but it may well do so for the guy who brought his kid to see the game. That being the case, it seems to me that it would be the right thing to do to try to clean it up a bit. I will never understand why people can't resolve to treat other people with respect, rather than falling back on "herp, derp, dude, I can say whatever I want. Other people's kids aren't my problem."
I agree completely. There's a context to everything. Bringing a kid to the student section at a college football game would just be idiotic. Dude, when I think back on the things I called the referees at Georgia games... There were a few times where I'm pretty sure I actually invented new cusses.
If the line you're trying to draw between "child friendly" and "(not) for children" were any finer we'd need a microscope to see it.
My point is not that kids can, or even should, be sheltered entirely from profanity. What I'm saying is that there's no reason for people to be obstinate shitheads. Odds are any parent isn't going to want to have their child exposed to gratuitous obsecenity, why not just clean up your language when there are kids around? I'm not saying no bad words are going to slip out in the heat of the moment, but that's not the same as nonstop profanity.
Like I stated above, it's not going to ruin your experience if you avoid letting loose streams of obscenities when something doesn't go your team's way, but it may well do so for the guy who brought his kid to see the game. That being the case, it seems to me that it would be the right thing to do to try to clean it up a bit. I will never understand why people can't resolve to treat other people with respect, rather than falling back on "herp, derp, dude, I can say whatever I want. Other people's kids aren't my problem."
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Originally Posted by Texasmade 
I'll curse at the occasional bad play or bad call but I won't curse constantly. The only time I cursed constantly at a games was when I was a student in college sitting in the student section. Anything goes in there. But at pro sporting events I try to be more considerate.

I'll curse at the occasional bad play or bad call but I won't curse constantly. The only time I cursed constantly at a games was when I was a student in college sitting in the student section. Anything goes in there. But at pro sporting events I try to be more considerate.
I agree completely. There's a context to everything. Bringing a kid to the student section at a college football game would just be idiotic. Dude, when I think back on the things I called the referees at Georgia games... There were a few times where I'm pretty sure I actually invented new cusses.
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Originally Posted by bkstone 
Where do you see me say ballparks are not for children? I am merely stating the reality for those live according to society's present oversensitve idea of what is "childfriendly". I don't see how a place where people drink alchohol in the open and scream could be what is presently thought of as "childfriendly". It is a fact alchohol loosen inhibitions among varying degrees for different people. Ballparks is trying to mash together college frat boys and your neighbor who drink one too many beers with Parents that have little children.
Though you could always ignore the profanity. Children will hear profanity in life regardless of how much you try to hide them from it. People have been cursing at ballparks/stadiums since the beginning and many generations grew up just fine.

Where do you see me say ballparks are not for children? I am merely stating the reality for those live according to society's present oversensitve idea of what is "childfriendly". I don't see how a place where people drink alchohol in the open and scream could be what is presently thought of as "childfriendly". It is a fact alchohol loosen inhibitions among varying degrees for different people. Ballparks is trying to mash together college frat boys and your neighbor who drink one too many beers with Parents that have little children.
Though you could always ignore the profanity. Children will hear profanity in life regardless of how much you try to hide them from it. People have been cursing at ballparks/stadiums since the beginning and many generations grew up just fine.
If the line you're trying to draw between "child friendly" and "(not) for children" were any finer we'd need a microscope to see it.
post #15 of 21
9/8/11 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by MrG 
I didn't realize we had so many parenting experts here on SF. I'm particularly fond of the fact that everyone seems to think that they have a license to say whatever they want because kids "are going to hear it anyway." Is that seriously the best you can come up with?
My point is not that kids can, or even should, be sheltered entirely from profanity. What I'm saying is that there's no reason for people to be obstinate shitheads. Odds are any parent isn't going to want to have their child exposed to gratuitous obsecenity, why not just clean up your language when there are kids around? I'm not saying no bad words are going to slip out in the heat of the moment, but that's not the same as nonstop profanity.
Like I stated above, it's not going to ruin your experience if you avoid letting loose streams of obscenities when something doesn't go your team's way, but it may well do so for the guy who brought his kid to see the game. That being the case, it seems to me that it would be the right thing to do to try to clean it up a bit. I will never understand why people can't resolve to treat other people with respect, rather than falling back on "herp, derp, dude, I can say whatever I want. Other people's kids aren't my problem."
If the line you're trying to draw between "child friendly" and "(not) for children" were any finer we'd need a microscope to see it.

I didn't realize we had so many parenting experts here on SF. I'm particularly fond of the fact that everyone seems to think that they have a license to say whatever they want because kids "are going to hear it anyway." Is that seriously the best you can come up with?
My point is not that kids can, or even should, be sheltered entirely from profanity. What I'm saying is that there's no reason for people to be obstinate shitheads. Odds are any parent isn't going to want to have their child exposed to gratuitous obsecenity, why not just clean up your language when there are kids around? I'm not saying no bad words are going to slip out in the heat of the moment, but that's not the same as nonstop profanity.
Like I stated above, it's not going to ruin your experience if you avoid letting loose streams of obscenities when something doesn't go your team's way, but it may well do so for the guy who brought his kid to see the game. That being the case, it seems to me that it would be the right thing to do to try to clean it up a bit. I will never understand why people can't resolve to treat other people with respect, rather than falling back on "herp, derp, dude, I can say whatever I want. Other people's kids aren't my problem."
If the line you're trying to draw between "child friendly" and "(not) for children" were any finer we'd need a microscope to see it.
This, particularly the bolded part.
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