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post #16 of 28
seriously? the difference between getting a nod or not is whether you wear a particular clothing accessory?
I love ties. I think it should be okay for you to wear a tie as much as u wish. No-one in my workplace has seen me without a tie, and maybe I'm naive, but I don't think anyone cares or has even noticed.
post #17 of 28
I don't think it will make a difference either way. Although, tie with no jacket used to be criticized heavily here (at least in MC), so I'm surprised I didn't see more people gripe about that. Personally, I don't have an issue with it.
post #18 of 28
not that there is anything wrong with it but...why a tie?

I'd definitely put on a jacket before a tie.... probably in this order
shirt and pants
jacket w/o tie
suit w/o tie
suit and tie

occasionally slip a tie in with the jacket before the suit...but really isn't the jacket preferable to a tie?
post #19 of 28
Jeez. What kind of insane offices do you people work? Attitude/personality is a much bigger concern than clothing. I'd evaluate how I interact with my co-workers/clients/superiors first before evaluating my dress. If you dress up but are friendly and easy to approach I find it hard to believe it'd be held against you. If you're snooty and/or a loner it could be a bigger issue, but dressing down will not help.
post #20 of 28
Just wear what you want. You'll get asked a lot in the beginning, but eventually everybody will leave you alone and accept it. Take me for instance. I work for a company that has the absolute most casual dress code that I can think of (and this is a professional business, so it drives me insane). Everybody wears jeans and typically long sleeve shirts or polos (hell, people wear t-shirts at times as well). Me, I wear a suit, every single day at the office (I don't wear a tie, I like ties, but only wear them when necessary). At first, a lot of people kept asking me what the special occassion was, etc. I'd tell them, no special occassion, this is just what I wanted to wear. Eventually everybody quit asking and accepted that this is what I wear.
post #21 of 28
Thread Starter 
Well, as an introvert, I've been trying my best to be extremely sociable and approachable to everyone in my office. So far, it seems to be working and I have a good rapport with my bosses, cube mates, and such. I tend to shut down in social situations that are dominated by extroverts (i.e. my office) and this can make me come off as aloof/arrogant/distant/awkward. I'm also tall and considered good-looking (no troll), so this doesn't help my cause either, as everyone expects me to be extremely charismatic and sociable from the get-go. This is not the case, however, so I tend to come off as snooty to people I just meet.

This is why I'm so conscious of wearing a tie -- I'm hoping it won't exacerbate any underlying impressions that I'm kind of arrogant. But, like I said, I've done a fairly good job of being approachable and sociable so I'm hoping it won't be a huge issue for me.

Anyway, I've sort of resorted to wearing ties whenever I feel like it. I don't have an expansive-enough wardrobe of shirts, ties, and pants to wear a coordinated outfit every single day, so I just wear a tie when I can easily pick out an outfit that works. For example, I don't have too many solid colored ties, but I have a lot of patterned/striped shirts, so this limits my choices.

Either way, thanks for the input so far!

Edit: random thought that just came to mind. I wore a tie today and I was out getting lunch with my class of analysts. We ran into two analysts from a class above us and exchanged our usual greeting. I explicitly noticed, however, that the two analysts were looking at my tie as we walked by each other.
post #22 of 28
Reading things like this make me glad I don't work in this sort of environment... redface.gif

Anyways, at this point you don't seems to be comfortable in the clothes your in. If you can't be comfortable in life you're missing out on one of life's real pleasures (even when working). Ties can be comfortable, but your attitude needs to coincide with wearing them or you'll fail and people will see through the facade.

So, you've already started wearing them on and off, make a little experiment and see how your environment reacts...
Go the 1st half of the week with a tie and the 2nd half without. Take mental notes of how your co-workers/ boss respond subtly through interactions. Then, go the 1st half of the 2nd week without the tie and the 2nd portion with it (reverse 1st week). Again, take mental notes.

By this point you should have a clear enough idea how wearing ties affects interactions within your office at both the beginning and ends of the week. If both portions, fail maybe wear 1x a week. If it doesn't matter maybe wear on and off as you please.

Ultimately, its not the time tie that will make you get along with your co-workers it's your attitude. I consider myself an introvert too, but I clarify as calling myself a 'social' introvert in the fact that I keep my public day-to-day light and sociable. Then use my free-time outside of the workplace to indulge things that are enjoyable to myself. People still don't charge me up, but I realize I'd be a lonely, loser if all I did was keep to myself. I just try to balance me time with face time. Even though I may be most energized with me time.

Don't feel negative about your personality type, as the undertones in your post hinted.. Instead, learn how to adapt (improve) to better fit a real world environment. This may take practice, but you'll probably find it rewarding long-term. You can start by playing minor games/ experiments with your day-to-day interactions to see what works.
GL
post #23 of 28
lose the tie. one should dress appropriate to the situation.
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

Well, as an introvert, I've been trying my best to be extremely sociable and approachable to everyone in my office. So far, it seems to be working and I have a good rapport with my bosses, cube mates, and such. I tend to shut down in social situations that are dominated by extroverts (i.e. my office) and this can make me come off as aloof/arrogant/distant/awkward. I'm also tall and considered good-looking (no troll), so this doesn't help my cause either, as everyone expects me to be extremely charismatic and sociable from the get-go. This is not the case, however, so I tend to come off as snooty to people I just meet.

This is why I'm so conscious of wearing a tie -- I'm hoping it won't exacerbate any underlying impressions that I'm kind of arrogant. But, like I said, I've done a fairly good job of being approachable and sociable so I'm hoping it won't be a huge issue for me.

Anyway, I've sort of resorted to wearing ties whenever I feel like it. I don't have an expansive-enough wardrobe of shirts, ties, and pants to wear a coordinated outfit every single day, so I just wear a tie when I can easily pick out an outfit that works. For example, I don't have too many solid colored ties, but I have a lot of patterned/striped shirts, so this limits my choices.

Either way, thanks for the input so far!

Edit: random thought that just came to mind. I wore a tie today and I was out getting lunch with my class of analysts. We ran into two analysts from a class above us and exchanged our usual greeting. I explicitly noticed, however, that the two analysts were looking at my tie as we walked by each other.

peeps used to describe me as an introvert too. Now they tend to say the opposite- that stuff's a bit age and stage and just circumstantial.
Reckon you over-thinkin it GF- if a tie makes u feel good go for it!
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

Sounds like a bizzare work place if wearing a tie would fuck up your career.

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Or Iran.
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Iran's war on neckties: The importation of ties, which "contradict the nature of Iranian culture," must come to an end, a senior Iranian customs official said Thursday.

"We must adopt serious actions in order to put an end to the importation of ties," Iranian Customs Deputy Director Asgar Hamidi was quoted as saying by Iranian news agency Fars. "We must change import laws to that end."

In addition to his customs duties, Hamidi also heads the Iranian program for the "development of culture, modesty, and headdress."

The custom of wearing neckties developed in Iran during the Shah's regime. However, in the wake of the 1979 Islamic revolution, ties were banned by authorities because they were perceived as a sign of westernization. Since then, senior Iranian officials and government ministry employees have shunned ties.

Notably, volunteers for the Iranian Revolutionary Guard walk the streets with scissors in order to cut ties should they encounter them.
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Originally Posted by Nereis View Post

Look, the worst thing you want is for you to be known as 'that guy who wears a tie all the time' in the office. If that is the strongest differentiating aspect about you, you have to drop the ties now. You have to be known first and foremost as an expert in your field, not for your dress sense.

Heed Nereis's advice.
post #26 of 28
Isn't a job to make money and do work? I'd say if your work performance is less than others then don't dress that give them am excuse of why your not as good.

But if you do better work than others, than dress better could portray a competitive advantage, and actually give you one.

The more money and the more influential you are the more you cam set the trend and style.

So it's a balance. I'd decide who you want to be noticed by, and what you want them to think. Also Id do whatever makes the people who control the company more money. And do it in such a way that it's know you are responsible for it.

This takes accountability and risk.

Most people will change their opinion of you to fit who they admire or want to impress.

Advertising works. We learn and perceive a lot by visual observation and nuances. So people know why they feel a certain way around people, others don't know why they feel a certain way about a person they just do.

Military's have uniforms, chains of command, and produce esprit de corps.

The most successful companies that have only a casual atmosphere and no differentiation, hire the smartest people and the best people to accomplish what they want.

What does your company really want?
post #27 of 28
I wouldn't sweat it too much.

We had a fairly junior guy wear a tie his first few months at the company (he wasn't too stylish, but he really liked ties). Some people (especially those who didn't know him) probably thought of him as the kid who wears ties, but it didn't do anything to hurt or help him. Unless you're violating the dress code in a blatant way, no one cares much either way. If you're in a junior position (which you are), you'll probably leave the company in a few years to go back to school or for another job, so you don't have to worry much about the politics at the firm. The reason no senior people have commented on your ties is probably because they don't care or haven't noticed.

If you feel uncomfortable because of how you perceive the way other people think of you, stop wearing ties. Otherwise, carry on.
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by thebac View Post

I wouldn't sweat it too much... Unless you're violating the dress code in a blatant way, no one cares much either way.... If you feel uncomfortable because of how you perceive the way other people think of you, stop wearing ties. Otherwise, carry on.

I agree 100% with this. Being the new kid wearing a tie, it was out of the norm for them, thus they asked you what was the occasion. I have no doubt that, by now, they have accepted that you wear ties as the norm and don't think twice about it. It will always be awkward starting out at a new place, and you are going to be judged no matter what you do. I say just be yourself, and show them you are not snooty, even if you think that is their first impression. At the opposite end of the spectrum as you, as an "Extreme Extrovert" (a title given to me by a Myers Briggs employee that did a workshop at my work) I usually come off as incredibly overconfident and cocky, loud, obnoxious, etc. Believe me, not everyone was rushing to be my friend when I first started working after college. What started as a resentment, though, changed into respect as I showed them that I don't think I am better than them just because I am loud (I mean, I do, I just don't let them know that icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif).

So for you, unless management says something, wear your ties. Even if other analysts are thinking, "Who does this kid think he is wearing a tie", just be yourself and show them that you aren't a stuck up SOB, you are just a regular guy with a tie.
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