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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

Hi all,

 

Long time forum follower, first post. A few questions for the Australians.

 

I've been a PJ customer for some time but am on the M.J. Bale database and received an email Thursday about their 'Samurai Suiting sessions' (detail below):

 

'A reminder that M.J. Bale’s Samurai Suiting sessions, hosted by Kaneko (our Japanese master tailor who they say is blessed by the tailoring gods), Matt Jensen and Paolo Michelini (Torino-born custom suiting expert) are taking place on August 31 Queen Street (Woollahra) store and September 1 (Westfield Sydney store). The suits are hand-finished, fully canvassed, made from a variety of cloths (up to Super 180s) and selection of fabrics that have been spun at Italy’s best weavers in Biella. Each suit will feature a samurai logo carefully woven inside the garment to honour the occasion.'

 

Sounds interesting as I'd been wanting to try the M.J. Bale MTM service for a while (I believe they call it 'Custom'). Now a few questions:

 

- Has anyone tried M.J. Bale custom suiting?

- If anyone has tried M.J. Bale MTM/Custom, how does it compare to PJ?

- Any members made an appointment?

- Would it be worth going to?

 

Note this thread is intended to be about the MTM M,J, Bale service, not RTW (I've noticed these forums can get hi-jacked quite quickly).

 

Thanks all. You guys are the experts.

 

post #2 of 10


Edited by dingdongbell - 8/21/11 at 3:22am
post #3 of 10
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Originally Posted by Maridale View Post

Note this thread is intended to be about the MTM M,J, Bale service, not RTW (I've noticed these forums can get hi-jacked quite quickly).

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Originally Posted by dingdongbell View Post

Hi, I have no experiences with Bale. PJ is pretty good, However, I believe MTM/Bespoke in Australia is way over-priced. I would recommend you to wait till Feb next year. Gordon Yao is coming to Sydney, I am sure you won't be disappointed.

...and, as predicted!
post #4 of 10
I am on their newsleter as well and received a similar e-mail. Im in Brisbane so cannot check them unfortunately. Even though a small MJ Bale has recently opened in Brisbane, they aren't doing the tailoring there, just yet.

Im not sure how MJ Bales custom tailoring program works as it varies by brand.
However MJ Bale have 3 blocks or cuts on their OTR suiting and if you fit that reasonably well then there should be lttle reason for their custom suits not fitting you as good if not slightly better as sleeve and coat length and waists and seats can be taken into account.

It would be great if someone could check it out and report back.
post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by Maridale View Post

Hi all,

 

Long time forum follower, first post. A few questions for the Australians.

 

I've been a PJ customer for some time but am on the M.J. Bale database and received an email Thursday about their 'Samurai Suiting sessions' (detail below):

 

'A reminder that M.J. Bale’s Samurai Suiting sessions, hosted by Kaneko (our Japanese master tailor who they say is blessed by the tailoring gods), Matt Jensen and Paolo Michelini (Torino-born custom suiting expert) are taking place on August 31 Queen Street (Woollahra) store and September 1 (Westfield Sydney store). The suits are hand-finished, fully canvassed, made from a variety of cloths (up to Super 180s) and selection of fabrics that have been spun at Italy’s best weavers in Biella. Each suit will feature a samurai logo carefully woven inside the garment to honour the occasion.'

 

Sounds interesting as I'd been wanting to try the M.J. Bale MTM service for a while (I believe they call it 'Custom'). Now a few questions:

 

- Has anyone tried M.J. Bale custom suiting?

- If anyone has tried M.J. Bale MTM/Custom, how does it compare to PJ?

- Any members made an appointment?

- Would it be worth going to?

 

Note this thread is intended to be about the MTM M,J, Bale service, not RTW (I've noticed these forums can get hi-jacked quite quickly).

 

Thanks all. You guys are the experts.

 


I too am a PJ customer.

It's tempting, I'll admit, but I don't know if I'm willing to take the risk, not having seen the results firsthand, that is, not having seen someone else in a Bale Custom suit. Not ever.

Also, having tasted of their RTW line, I believe they tend to cut corners (cheaper fabrics, sub-par shirting construction) in order to keep prices down, and therefore, am not sure the same does not apply to the Custom operation.

Then again, maybe Custom is the jewel in the crown, and they will pull all stops to create a fantastic product.

Nevertheless, I eagerly await the posting of someone's 'Bale Custom' fit pics before passing any informed judgment. I'm hoping not to be disappointed as it would mean another well priced MTM alternative for us Aussies.
Edited by ColdEyedPugilist - 8/24/11 at 12:15am
post #6 of 10
whats a 'samurai suiting'??
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by acidboy View Post

whats a 'samurai suiting'??

I think it's just a tongue-in-cheek ref to the fact that the suits will be made in Japan.

Or maybe there's a free Dai Katana with every 10th suit purchase or something. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #8 of 10
I think it means if you're not entirely satisfied with the finished product, the tailor will commit seppuku in front of you to restore both his, your and the suit's honour.


Seriously though, quite interested in OP's question.
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thanks all. So no one appears to have tried the Bale custom service?

Re: acidboys question, I can only assume samurai is a reference to the fact that their Japanese Master Tailor is coming out to Australia.

 

Ok, well I'm still undecided about attending the event, but I know a friend of mine that is (PJ customer also) so will make sure I get a report off him (and maybe pictures in the 8 weeks these MTMs seem to take). Although I'd like to know some PJ alternatives in Aus for MTM, I will not start that again here as I know it has been covered many times elsewhere. I actually quite like some of the Bale decon jackets, but will reserve judgement on the custom until I try it.

 

Excuse my ignorance but could I post the above in Australian members thread for better feedback, or is the double-up frowned upon?

 

 

 

 

post #10 of 10

Old thread, but I've just visited MJ Bale in DFO Homebush, and tried on both a Samurai suit and a shirt. 

 

It's a different fit from the "drop 8" I left with: much, much slimmer. I sort of fit a 42, but the Samurai looked like it would explode at the waist yet had quite a bit of bagginess on the bottom left and right of the chest - more specifically, the area in front of the armpit. I've seen this before on a fully canvassed jacket I got altered after losing so much weight that it was impossible to restore the beautiful shape of the original - the chest kind of "bites" into the armpit space and folds back under. Looks awful, and it was a bit unbalanced with one side having more folds than the other. This could be because I'm more O shaped than V.  The fit was perfect around the neck, which is something I really like with MJB, and the suit moved around fluidly despite having its vents stitched up.

 

Shirt-wise, their 41 "super slim" shirts are fine for me, but the Samurai shirt in 42 (theoretically bigger) was way too slim, the buttons looked like they'd burst, even more so than with the suit.

 

The fabric for the suit was a very fine wool which seemed already roughed up despite being hung up for sale - like a suit you'd have worn for a couple of years. Maybe it's been on the rack for a while, or maybe it was second hand - I noticed a half inch stain on the collar. I've never been a fan of high S numbers, preferring the drape and durability of double digits.

 

Now, the plural of anecdote isn't data, but here's your extra data point for the Samurai. 

 

Would I try their custom service? 

 

Well, MJB in general seem to know what they are doing. I'd rather wear their (on sale) $400 suits any day over the admittedly more detailed, but considerably more expensive and shinier Zegna stuff just a few shops away. The fabrics are beautiful, and they are cutting costs only on details that can be done without (e.g. no working button cuffs, no working boutonniere, but it's the right length and shape, only half canvas). It's a nice soft style that is perfect for the Australian weather. I have no idea if it is intentional but the logo reminds me strongly of Brooks Brothers, maybe as a tongue in cheek reference (the BB sheep is being airlifted comatose, the MJB sheep is victoriously lifting up a banner, Aussie Aussie Aussie!), and BB is a brand I sort of trust even if I find it overpriced outside the US.

 

"MJ" knows what I want! BUT... the girls staffing the shop, whilst very friendly, did not seem that well trained or to care much about men's fashion beyond being enthusiastic about their merchandise (it could just be because it's a DFO) - in fact, they give you a 10% off voucher to get alterations done by a stand in the middle of the corridor ($15/$27 for trouser length adjustment without/with cuff, with the discount). Personally, if I didn't already have a tailor, I'd buy OTR and get it adjusted. I also think MJB generally will fit better if you are athletic and V shaped. Still, it's a pleasant surprise to find this in Australia where virtually everything is extortionate compared to any surrounding nation.

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