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post #4021 of 4254
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

Single malts are terribly overvalued and overhyped.

While I agree with your thoughts on blends and blending (some companies are even selling single malt packs to blend yourself... see Tomatin) I really have to disagree with this statement.  Just look at the wine scene.  Even a cheap drinkable wine will run $15-20 dollars/euros.  But that bottle wont last near as long as a $50 dollar/euro bottle of single malt.  You step up in price/quality of wine and things get rapidly more expensive for the quality.  Many good single malts can be had for under $200 and even a lot under $100.  I believe that the hype will eventually die down.  The single malt market rides incredible highs and lows.

 

I believe there to be many more good single malts than blends.  Not saying there arent good blends out there.  

post #4022 of 4254
At 200USD I'd be drinking sublime Cognacs, heck at 100-150USD I'd be enjoying Cognacs (Audry Memorial) that are very old and very well blended. Or straight from the barrel uncut Cognacs even cheaper like A. Thorin "Principe". USD200 for a bottle of Scotch is obscene in my opinion, and way way beyond of point of diminishing returns. Not talking about collectors and prices, only commenting on prices for consumable drinks.
Prices can get high rather quickly even for something as silly as Vodka.
My opinion of of prices is based on tasting various stuff and local availability in Belgium, which is very good. It is not that I really want that Cognac or Scotch for 500USD or 200USD but cannot afford it , it is just I have tried the variety of them over the years and would never spend that much again on something I know would not be better tasting than a drink costing half or one third of these prices. Unless one wants a realy nice crystal carafe or fancy wooden box, of course.biggrin.gif
From my experience good Whiskeys cut off price is aprox. 100USD with numerous excellent examples at 50-70 range, after that it is mostly marketing. Cognacs are around 200USD, with excellent bottles at 70-140USD, and wines are at 30-40USD with the best value for money at around 15-25USD. Champagne wines will be getting better up to the point of 200/bottle but only for 1996 or some other excellent vintage or really special wine from a particular winery.

With all being said, this is just my opinion.
post #4023 of 4254
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

Drinking Johnnie Walker Green at 45Eur for 0.7L quite better than most single Malts I have tried. I once poured leftovers of 5 single malts into my skiing hip flask, that was the best decision I have ever made. That blend was to die for. Single malts are terribly overvalued and overhyped. Blended scotch is where it is at. If you cannot find the one you like , stop worshiping it and blend it yourself.

I agree with you that JW Green is a great value and a great blended whiskey. I am not sure it is better than most single malts I have tried, but many for sure. I agree that there are a lot of highly overvalued single malts out there, and unfortunately for me because I tend to prefer bourbon, it's happened in that market as well. Still, cultivate a good relationship with your local liquor store owner, and you can usually lay your hands on the best stuff at small markups to retail, which is what capitalism is all about I suppose..
post #4024 of 4254
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

At 200USD I'd be drinking sublime Cognacs, heck at 100-150USD I'd be enjoying Cognacs (Audry Memorial) that are very old and very well blended. Or straight from the barrel uncut Cognacs even cheaper like A. Thorin "Principe". USD200 for a bottle of Scotch is obscene in my opinion, and way way beyond of point of diminishing returns. Not talking about collectors and prices, only commenting on prices for consumable drinks.
Prices can get high rather quickly even for something as silly as Vodka.
My opinion of of prices is based on tasting various stuff and local availability in Belgium, which is very good. It is not that I really want that Cognac or Scotch for 500USD or 200USD but cannot afford it , it is just I have tried the variety of them over the years and would never spend that much again on something I know would not be better tasting than a drink costing half or one third of these prices. Unless one wants a realy nice crystal carafe or fancy wooden box, of course.biggrin.gif
From my experience good Whiskeys cut off price is aprox. 100USD with numerous excellent examples at 50-70 range, after that it is mostly marketing. Cognacs are around 200USD, with excellent bottles at 70-140USD, and wines are at 30-40USD with the best value for money at around 15-25USD. Champagne wines will be getting better up to the point of 200/bottle but only for 1996 or some other excellent vintage or really special wine from a particular winery.

With all being said, this is just my opinion.

man its amazing how you know just enough to sound opinionated and insufferable. so much hot air you could fly the hindenburg.
post #4025 of 4254
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

man its amazing how you know just enough to sound opinionated and insufferable. so much hot air you could fly the hindenburg.
post #4026 of 4254
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Originally Posted by gnatty8 View Post

I agree with you that JW Green is a great value and a great blended whiskey. I am not sure it is better than most single malts I have tried, but many for sure. I agree that there are a lot of highly overvalued single malts out there, and unfortunately for me because I tend to prefer bourbon, it's happened in that market as well. Still, cultivate a good relationship with your local liquor store owner, and you can usually lay your hands on the best stuff at small markups to retail, which is what capitalism is all about I suppose..

Pappy Van Winkle - is it really that good Or is it Japanese Whiskey good?
post #4027 of 4254

The fact that you dont mention Armagnac at all in your statements just shows what little knowledge you have.  I highly prefer just about any Armagnac over Cognac.  

 

Japanese whisky is amazing.  Its just the value is gone now.  I could get Yamazaki 18 for under $100 6-7 years ago.  Probably in my top 5 single malts.  Now, no way at $300+

post #4028 of 4254
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Originally Posted by jcman311 View Post

The fact that you dont mention Armagnac at all in your statements just shows what little knowledge you have.  I highly prefer just about any Armagnac over Cognac.  

Japanese whisky is amazing.  Its just the value is gone now.  I could get Yamazaki 18 for under $100 6-7 years ago.  Probably in my top 5 single malts.  Now, no way at $300+

I know very little about Armagnacs as I have tried a few old bottles and they were from bad to nothing special. Would love to hear your recommendations instead of grandstanding.foo.gif


P.S. I also did not mention sparkling wines (Freixenet) or brandies ,so?
post #4029 of 4254
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post
 

P.S. I also did not mention sparkling wines (Freixenet) or brandies ,so?

Cognac is a brandy :facepalm:

post #4030 of 4254
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Originally Posted by jcman311 View Post

Cognac is a brandy facepalm.gif

If Cognac is = Brandy then Cava is = Champagne, therefore you must be = an idiot.
post #4031 of 4254
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

If Cognac is = Brandy then Cava is = Champagne, therefore you must be = an idiot.

Brandy is a catch all word for spirits distilled from grapes. Cognac is a region in the west of France where they make brandies and have various labeling laws in place to be able to call those brandies Cognac. Armagnac is likewise a region to its south that makes Brandy in a different manner

Cava refers sparkling wine made in Catalonia in the traditional champagne method. Champagne likewise refers to the region in France. theyre both a type and place of sparkling wine

I don't understand how you can be so opinionated when you're so clueless

Talks about Cognac, but doesn't know what it is and hasn't tried Armagnac, pappy, doesn't really know what makes Japanese whisky so (otherwise you wouldn't be asking to compare pappy with it), claims JW green is better than most single malts out there, that blends as a category is better than single malts, claims anything above $100 for scotch is all marketing. How do you already have opinions on everything

JW green is good but not that good. Has these off notes and my bottle is still mostly there.
Edited by indesertum - 8/24/16 at 7:40am
post #4032 of 4254
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

Brandy is a catch all word for spirits distilled from grapes. Cognac is a region in the west of France where they make brandies and have various labeling laws in place to be able to call those brandies Cognac. Armagnac is likewise a region to its south that makes Brandy in a different manner

Cava refers sparkling wine made in Catalonia in the traditional champagne method. Champagne likewise refers to the region in France. theyre both a type and place of sparkling wine

I don't understand how you can be so opinionated when you're so clueless

Talks about Cognac, but doesn't know what it is and hasn't tried Armagnac, pappy, doesn't really know what makes Japanese whisky so (otherwise you wouldn't be asking to compare pappy with it), claims JW green is better than most single malts out there, that blends as a category is better than single malts, claims anything above $100 for scotch is all marketing. How do you already have opinions on everything

JW green is good but not that good. Has these off notes and my bottle is still mostly there.

No one gives rat's ass how my posts make you folks feel, go share it with someone who cares.
These conversation you guys like to start on SF are dead-end moronic exercises in anal-retentive deflection. When I speak about prices for Cognacs only a moron can assume I speak about all drinks produced of grapes aka Brandies. When I say I did not mention Brandies (I never buy them), only a total fool can jump out and say: aha, Cognacs are Brandies...
Just name names that you like , give recs., at least contribute something of value to this threak.
post #4033 of 4254
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

No one gives rat's ass how my posts make you folks feel, go share it with someone who cares.
These conversation you guys like to start on SF are dead-end moronic exercises in anal-retentive deflection. When I speak about prices for Cognacs only a moron can assume I speak about all drinks produced of grapes aka Brandies. When I say I did not mention Brandies (I never buy them), only a total fool can jump out and say: aha, Cognacs are Brandies...
Just name names that you like , give recs., at least contribute something of value to this threak.

cognacs are brandies.... why dont you go google cognac........ when you buy cognac you're buying a brandy.......

i regret having entered this conversation
post #4034 of 4254
This went about how I was expecting.
post #4035 of 4254
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Originally Posted by brp2 View Post

This went about how I was expecting.

It went nearly as well as I'd hoped.

Probably worthwhile for under $100 but for anything over that price I'd move to a different subforum where you can get much better quality feuds for marginal price increases.
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