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post #16 of 36
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Originally Posted by PL92106 View Post

I've never been told by Stowa about lineage or provenance nor seen it in any advertisements. They reference that it is a replica of some type of original, but definitely don't mention the Luftwaffe or German pilots. Their Fleiger caught my eye purely on looks. I only learned about the history of the B-Uhr makers through my research, which I'm glad I did. I did not end up buying any of them because of the questionable past of the originals which the modern ones are trying to replicate... but you gotta admit, still a damn good looking watch.

http://www.stowa.de/cgi-bin/cosmoshop/lshop.cgi?action=largepic&pic=/z/fliegerohnelogo/g/Flieger-o-Logo-o-Datum-1.jpg&artnum=fliegerohnelogo&wkid=131307898427310&ls=en&nocache=1313079020-28040

Anyway, good luck in your search OP.

Is it purely on looks?

I am having a hard time understanding why Stowa is significantly better than Archimede or Steinhart autos which are priced at about half of what a Stowa would cost. Is it exclusivity? Is there something particular in the design?

I refer back to a debate that went on with Foo and others about the value of spending 1k on simple ETA movement. Without reopening this debate, after further research I have become more convinced by comments they made.
post #17 of 36
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Originally Posted by Cant kill da Rooster View Post


Is it purely on looks?

I am having a hard time understanding why Stowa is significantly better than Archimede or Steinhart autos which are priced at about half of what a Stowa would cost. Is it exclusivity? Is there something particular in the design?

I refer back to a debate that went on with Foo and others about the value of spending 1k on simple ETA movement. Without reopening this debate, after further research I have become more convinced by comments they made.

Stowa isn't better than Archimede or Steinhart. All of the brands use ETA movements. It's just that Stowa's bread and butter is their Marine Original line which uses the handwound Unitas/ETA movement that is fully decorated. Due to the decorated movements, they charge a higher price. Also the currency is Euro denominated, thus you need to factor in the exchange rate as well. Regardless of all the marketing hype, if one were to purchase the movements alone, none of the basic ETA movements cost more than $200 bucks wholesale.

Also having a shady sole US distributor as Watchbuys can help with the marketing costs along with stonewalling customers in the after-sales department along with pointing fingers at each other on who's responsible for what.
post #18 of 36
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my wrist is about 6.5''
post #19 of 36
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Originally Posted by Cant kill da Rooster View Post


Is it purely on looks?

I am having a hard time understanding why Stowa is significantly better than Archimede or Steinhart autos which are priced at about half of what a Stowa would cost. Is it exclusivity? Is there something particular in the design?

I refer back to a debate that went on with Foo and others about the value of spending 1k on simple ETA movement. Without reopening this debate, after further research I have become more convinced by comments they made.

Yeah - I really like the look of the old B-Uhr, Rooster. Figured it would be a great cheap daily wearer. Again, the implication of what it was in the past made me not purchase it.

Really happy I went with a Sinn 656 to fill this cheap daily wearer need. It was not purchased from Watchbuys. They sketched me out a little as well. Part of the reason that I'm okay with a simple ETA 2824 movement - if it breaks, my watch guy here can replace the movement for ~$250-$300 and I don't have to deal with single distributor hassles or dealing with a manufacturer in a foreign country (flashback to when my Underwood watch winder was broken - a nightmare). If you look at Sinn and see a Bell & Ross similarity, it's cause I believe the B&R team spun out from Sinn. Actually, the first B&Rs have a Sinn stamp on the face ("B&R by Sinn" or something along those lines) as they manufactured for them out of the gate. Anyway, enough about something that doesn't help OP.

OP, I know you want a small "Bauhaus", but you can also get some 32-35mm old Girard Perrageaux's off the old Bay that have been cleaned up/restored (probably destroying value, but look nice). I bought one with a bumper automatic movement from the OC Watch Co on there. Got it, thought it was way too small and he gladly took it back. No matter what style you choose, it's why I suggested looking for pre-1970s or even pre-1960s automatics before the big watch craze kicked in.
post #20 of 36
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Originally Posted by PL92106 View Post


Yeah - I really like the look of the old B-Uhr, Rooster. Figured it would be a great cheap daily wearer. Again, the implication of what it was in the past made me not purchase it.

Really happy I went with a Sinn 656 to fill this cheap daily wearer need. It was not purchased from Watchbuys. They sketched me out a little as well. Part of the reason that I'm okay with a simple ETA 2824 movement - if it breaks, my watch guy here can replace the movement for ~$250-$300 and I don't have to deal with single distributor hassles or dealing with a manufacturer in a foreign country (flashback to when my Underwood watch winder was broken - a nightmare). If you look at Sinn and see a Bell & Ross similarity, it's cause I believe the B&R team spun out from Sinn. Actually, the first B&Rs have a Sinn stamp on the face ("B&R by Sinn" or something along those lines) as they manufactured for them out of the gate. Anyway, enough about something that doesn't help OP.

OP, I know you want a small "Bauhaus", but you can also get some 32-35mm old Girard Perrageaux's off the old Bay that have been cleaned up/restored (probably destroying value, but look nice). I bought one with a bumper automatic movement from the OC Watch Co on there. Got it, thought it was way too small and he gladly took it back. No matter what style you choose, it's why I suggested looking for pre-1970s or even pre-1960s automatics before the big watch craze kicked in.

what style of Girard Perrageaux are you suggesting?

also, I am really just looking for a nice dress watch, but because my wrist is small i was originally drawn to the stowa because apparently they are only like 35mm or something small like that. if you have any other nice suggestions for a dress watch for small wrists (6.5'' wrist), i'm all ears.

budget: $100-300
post #21 of 36
Thread Starter 
though if bauhaus is available or something similar, that style is preferred. (i'm looking to pair this with a suit for work everyday)
post #22 of 36
Thread Starter 
H
Thanks so much for you detailed responses. To give you more background regarding my situation: I was originally just looking for a nice dress watch to pair with my suit. I have a very small wrist (6.5"). So i googled "dress watch small wrist styleforum" and many of the threads that came up people were recommending Stowas - that's how I first got interestd in them. But in terms of my preferences, to list them I would have to say:


  1. fit: something that will fit nicely on my 6.5" wrist, lugs won't hang off the edge
  2. budget: $100-300
  3. style: Bauhaus is preferred (after seeing the Stowa, I really like the style), or anything similar (i.e. clean and understated).
  4. purpose: to pair with a navy suit wearing it to work everyday
  5. vintage or new?: doesn't really matter. To be honest, I am drawn to vintage because I feel like I can get a good watch for an awesome price - but is that the wrong reasoning? I don't want to get a vintage watch and have tons of problems with it down the road.
  6. considerations thus far: seiko, stowa, nomos, omega, Girard Perrageaux (vintage?)


let me know what you all think!
post #23 of 36
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Originally Posted by PL92106 View Post


Yeah - I really like the look of the old B-Uhr, Rooster. Figured it would be a great cheap daily wearer. Again, the implication of what it was in the past made me not purchase it.

Really happy I went with a Sinn 656 to fill this cheap daily wearer need. It was not purchased from Watchbuys. They sketched me out a little as well. Part of the reason that I'm okay with a simple ETA 2824 movement - if it breaks, my watch guy here can replace the movement for ~$250-$300 and I don't have to deal with single distributor hassles or dealing with a manufacturer in a foreign country (flashback to when my Underwood watch winder was broken - a nightmare). If you look at Sinn and see a Bell & Ross similarity, it's cause I believe the B&R team spun out from Sinn. Actually, the first B&Rs have a Sinn stamp on the face ("B&R by Sinn" or something along those lines) as they manufactured for them out of the gate. Anyway, enough about something that doesn't help OP.

OP, I know you want a small "Bauhaus", but you can also get some 32-35mm old Girard Perrageaux's off the old Bay that have been cleaned up/restored (probably destroying value, but look nice). I bought one with a bumper automatic movement from the OC Watch Co on there. Got it, thought it was way too small and he gladly took it back. No matter what style you choose, it's why I suggested looking for pre-1970s or even pre-1960s automatics before the big watch craze kicked in.

Bell & Ross and Sinn aren't the same company. The old Bell & Ross watches were manufactured by Sinn. If you seen the dials of the old B&R watches it always says Bell & Ross by Sinn.

Girard Perregaux is out of the OP's budget. Vintage GP watches don't have the same quality as the modern watches. Also since GP's owner Luigi Macaluso passed away, his heirs sold the company to the Gucci Group. With the backing of Gucci, prices and production will get jacked up.
post #24 of 36
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Bell & Ross and Sinn aren't the same company. The old Bell & Ross watches were manufactured by Sinn. If you seen the dials of the old B&R watches it always says Bell & Ross by Sinn.

Girard Perregaux is out of the OP's budget. Vintage GP watches don't have the same quality as the modern watches. Also since GP's owner Luigi Macaluso passed away, his heirs sold the company to the Gucci Group. With the backing of Gucci, prices and production will get jacked up.

If I find something i really like, I can go up to $500, but that is the max.
post #25 of 36
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Originally Posted by josiahsiung View Post

H
Thanks so much for you detailed responses. To give you more background regarding my situation: I was originally just looking for a nice dress watch to pair with my suit. I have a very small wrist (6.5"). So i googled "dress watch small wrist styleforum" and many of the threads that came up people were recommending Stowas - that's how I first got interestd in them. But in terms of my preferences, to list them I would have to say:


  1. fit: something that will fit nicely on my 6.5" wrist, lugs won't hang off the edge
  2. budget: $100-300
  3. style: Bauhaus is preferred (after seeing the Stowa, I really like the style), or anything similar (i.e. clean and understated).
  4. purpose: to pair with a navy suit wearing it to work everyday
  5. vintage or new?: doesn't really matter. To be honest, I am drawn to vintage because I feel like I can get a good watch for an awesome price - but is that the wrong reasoning? I don't want to get a vintage watch and have tons of problems with it down the road.
  6. considerations thus far: seiko, stowa, nomos, omega, Girard Perrageaux (vintage?)


let me know what you all think!

You may want to revise your budget for a quality vintage watch. There are tons of vintage watches that are really cheap, reason why is due to lack of available parts. If your vintage watch breaks down, you cannot get it fixed. After the Swiss watch crisis in the 1970's, many watch companies went bankrupt and sold their machines to the Chinese. Hence their knowledge of production of counterfeit watches.

The boat has passed for getting a great vintage watch at an awesome price. This started with the Italian resurrection in the 1980's along with the hipster crowd in the 2000's.

GP vintage is garbage quality. Stowa's claim to fame came from being associated with the Nazi regime. Out of all the brands you listed, only Omega will service their old watches. There is a chance that if you do end up getting a vintage Omega and it breaks, no parts can be found. For a price, Omega might be able to manufacture the broken parts. In your price budget, Seiko is very reasonable. They make a ton of different watches in all sorts of designs.
post #26 of 36
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Originally Posted by ndsleep612 View Post


Bell & Ross and Sinn aren't the same company. The old Bell & Ross watches were manufactured by Sinn. If you seen the dials of the old B&R watches it always says Bell & Ross by Sinn.

Thought that was essentially the same thing I said, except I added that the B&R team might have originally been a team at Sinn that spun out to start their own company. Sinn generously helped them get off the ground. Anyway, no matter as I digressed as no Sinns or B&Rs would fit OP's wants as they are too big.

Start here to see if you like vintage. You may not. NDsleep is right though. Unless you have a great watch repair guy with tremendous access to old parts, if one of these breaks, you're pretty much screwed.

http://jewelry.shop.ebay.com/Wristwatches-/31387/i.html?Gender=Men%2527s&Age=1940%252D1969&Type=Dress&LH_Price=..500%40c&Brand=Baume%2520et%2520Mercier|Breitling|Girard%252DPerregaux|Hamilton|IWC|Jaeger%252DLeCoultre|Longines|Omega|Oris|Rolex|Seiko|Ulysse%2520Nardin|Universal%2520Geneve|Waltham|Zenith|Zodiac&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A5212&rt=nc&_catref=1&_dmpt=Wristwatches&_mPrRngCbx=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1581&_pgn=3

If there are specific ones you spot that you like, ask away. Again, visit with the watchuseek people as well.
post #27 of 36
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Originally Posted by josiahsiung View Post


If I find something i really like, I can go up to $500, but that is the max.

$500 won't get you anything worthwhile. Save $400 and buy a Casio until you can afford to get a decent watch.

It's tough love, but take this advice and do yourself a favour.
post #28 of 36
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Originally Posted by Prince of Paisley View Post


$500 won't get you anything worthwhile. Save $400 and buy a Casio until you can afford to get a decent watch.

It's tough love, but take this advice and do yourself a favour.

I agree with Prince on this.

A Nomos (e.g. the Orion) or vintage Omega Constellation would be fine choices, but you will need significantly more than $500.
post #29 of 36
I'm no watch guy, but was also looking for something similar so here are some ideas... I realize these aren't all quite Bauhaus style but maybe you'll see something you'll like in there.
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Tissot Desire
500

hamilton jazzmaster
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archimede arcadia
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Seiko, not sure the model...
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skagen, check their site under mens, white dials
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these are more like $800 new but second hand might get you that $800 point
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Junghans Max Bill
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Epos 3387
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post #30 of 36
ole mathiesen

500
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