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post #3421 of 3608
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Originally Posted by harlemriver View Post

We will first need to delineate a few things here. Outerwear not fitting true to size or true to your size or true to the size you think it should in no way means that the brand isn't "good." That's just not analogous.

If you meant something else then it's not clear. MP Massimo Piombo is a widely coveted label - especially during its Kiton era. Sealup is another great brand that mostly makes items under contract for other labels such as Burberry etc.

I assure that both companies make great outerwear. You have to be willing to accept that sizing may vary from what's normal for you. Even a brand you already know might have a difference in sizing because sometimes sizing is tailored for the local market of distribution

Embrace the hunt and exercise the return policy if it doesn't work.

I noticed MP pricing had changed and thought they must have switched mfrs. This is first I've seen it "confirmed."

Can you tell us more about this?
post #3422 of 3608
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Thank you very much. Really appreciate it, especially coming from someone as distinguished on the forum as you. I will check out Moorer.  
You are very welcome + dig hard for Moorer, I've found them very much worth the effort.
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I love Corneliani ... I find ID quality is on-par with mainline. Trend is super slim and CC is mostly not interesting.
facepalm.gif I think this explains my problem earlier, I mentally blurred ID, Trend, and CC. Hence why I was scratching my head after finding my jacket an ID.

Egads; so, I originally meant "pass on CC". Thanks for the lesson everyone.
post #3423 of 3608
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Originally Posted by StockwellDay View Post

I noticed MP pricing had changed and thought they must have switched mfrs. This is first I've seen it "confirmed."

Can you tell us more about this?

I don't have any insider knowledge. Piombo has a checkered past when it comes to his business arrangements with his partners. After a fall out with his invesotrs under his "Piombo" label quite a while back, he and Kiton joined forces to produce "MP di Massimo Piombo" and Kiton put a tremendous amount of resources into the partnership including a prime location in Kiton's new show space in addition to providing access to its world class tailors and factories.

In or near February of 2014, Hermès (through one of its subsidiaries) invited Mr. Piombo to visit their immense textile archives near Lyon. During this visit, he acted suspiciously which stood out to employees in the building. He was subsequently arrested later that day at the airport for the theft of several rare, antique textile samples that he stole from Hermès during his visit as an invited guest. He stuffed the samples into his undergarments/socks and fled the building.

Fast forward to late 2015, the partnership with Kiton abruptly ends on supposedly amicable terms. Piombo is forced to pay restitution to Hermes in 2016.

Piombo secures new investors and supposedly now owns the factory that makes his clothes near Milan I believe. Regrettably, the quality tanked significantly and it just does not compare to what Kiton produced for him.

I assume both Kiton and Hermès greatly admire his skill, craft and creativity but neither neither engagement ended on a particularly up note.

Barneys picked up the line for a couple of seasons, but it didn't last long. Yoox (through the now defunct TheCorner) and MrPorter (Yoox subsidiary) have been long time wholesale accounts.
post #3424 of 3608
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Originally Posted by harlemriver View Post


I don't have any insider knowledge. Piombo has a checkered past when it comes to his business arrangements with his partners. After a fall out with his invesotrs under his "Piombo" label quite a while back, he and Kiton joined forces to produce "MP di Massimo Piombo" and Kiton put a tremendous amount of resources into the partnership including a prime location in Kiton's new show space in addition to providing access to its world class tailors and factories.

In or near February of 2014, Hermès (through one of its subsidiaries) invited Mr. Piombo to visit their immense textile archives near Lyon. During this visit, he acted suspiciously which stood out to employees in the building. He was subsequently arrested later that day at the airport for the theft of several rare, antique textile samples that he stole from Hermès during his visit as an invited guest. He stuffed the samples into his undergarments/socks and fled the building.

Fast forward to late 2015, the partnership with Kiton abruptly ends on supposedly amicable terms. Piombo is forced to pay restitution to Hermes in 2016.

Piombo secures new investors and supposedly now owns the factory that makes his clothes near Milan I believe. Regrettably, the quality tanked significantly and it just does not compare to what Kiton produced for him.

I assume both Kiton and Hermès greatly admire his skill, craft and creativity but neither neither engagement ended on a particularly up note.

Barneys picked up the line for a couple of seasons, but it didn't last long. Yoox (through the now defunct TheCorner) and MrPorter (Yoox subsidiary) have been long time wholesale accounts.

 

Incredible info; thank you for sharing! 

post #3425 of 3608
That's interesting regarding Massimo Piombo. Are there any ways to tell the good stuff from the bad under the limitations of online shopping?
I have seen MP jackets with Sartorio labels inside, but obviously Yoox doesn't show that much detail.
post #3426 of 3608
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Originally Posted by winston View Post

That's interesting regarding Massimo Piombo. Are there any ways to tell the good stuff from the bad under the limitations of online shopping?
I have seen MP jackets with Sartorio labels inside, but obviously Yoox doesn't show that much detail.

You can tell by the date it was produced. Just compare the item to the collections from the seasons.

Also, Kiton's Piombo Blazers and suiting fit, well, a lot like Kiton. A lot of it you can tell the difference from how it feels on the body.
post #3427 of 3608
Well I was hoping for some pointers for spotting the Kiton ones on Yoox. If that sounds impossible with only the two photos I disagree, as I've learnt to spot certain things on other brands that help. For example, hand stitched buttonholes can be identified in some cases.
post #3428 of 3608
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Originally Posted by winston View Post

Well I was hoping for some pointers for spotting the Kiton ones on Yoox. If that sounds impossible with only the two photos I disagree, as I've learnt to spot certain things on other brands that help. For example, hand stitched buttonholes can be identified in some cases.

Sorry, I don't really know what physical identifiers you could use. I would recommend you locate which season the item is from as I said.

Piombo pretty much produces that which the show in the collections during men's fashion week. Just search and see what season it is. Does that make sense? I mean anyone could use handsewn buttonholes, horn buttons etc so I'm just not sure that would tell you everything you need.

The only hiccup is that Yoox also sells samples and prototypes some times, but I wouldn't worry about that too much.
post #3429 of 3608
In this case, I wondered if a change in the cut might have coincided with the change in quality. But I didn't realise that there was a runway show to compare with. I'll have a look. Thanks.
post #3430 of 3608
The items that were in the clearout section and have had their price put back up now but are still available, are they likely to drop again?
post #3431 of 3608
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Originally Posted by UK2004 View Post

The items that were in the clearout section and have had their price put back up now but are still available, are they likely to drop again?

 

yes, they are, but only for promos that include Clearance (about 3-4 times a year), unless they are sold out beforehand

post #3432 of 3608
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Originally Posted by harlemriver View Post


I don't have any insider knowledge. Piombo has a checkered past when it comes to his business arrangements with his partners. 

 

Thank you for sharing! very insightful, and much appreciated. Would you be able to share similar wisdom regarding some other brands sold on Yoox or perhaps just a short list of quality "SF approved" brands. I don't mean exhaustive list, but something that maybe off the beaten path, i.e. not Zegna, Kiton, Isaia. Thanks. For example I have been particularly impressed with the quality of Dalmine knitwear, which has hardly ever been brought up here on SF.

post #3433 of 3608
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Originally Posted by winston View Post

In this case, I wondered if a change in the cut might have coincided with the change in quality. But I didn't realise that there was a runway show to compare with. I'll have a look. Thanks.

From my personal MP experience, I've found that the longer jackets have been made by KITON. It's a bit hard to explain, but the jackets where the body is noticeable longer than the sleeves are usually the ones to pick up. My two cents...
post #3434 of 3608
I have a few brands in mind that are fully canvassed and use Loro Piana wool , but you have to pry it out of my cold dead hands or lips or something.
post #3435 of 3608
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

I have a few brands in mind that are fully canvassed and use Loro Piana wool , but you have to pry it out of my cold dead hands or lips or something.

My Yoox secrets will come with me to my grave.
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