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post #16 of 25
Darn, is the record for reviving an old thread? It seems that even 4 years ago it was beating a dead armadillo.
post #17 of 25
Maybe I'm playing semantics here, but forgive me... it's my job. THe way I see it, "cheap" is not synonymous with "inexpensive," but rather with "poor quality." To put it another way, "cheap" is the opposite of "quality" and "inexpensive" is the opposite of "expensive." So you have two dimensions here. One is the "cheap/quality" continuum, and the other is the "in/expensive" continuum. Of course, the two often coincide -- a 2 quid polyester tie from Primark is likely to be both cheap and inexpensive. The interesting cases are where the two dimensions come apart -- Boss suits are expensive but cheap, and good thrift store finds can be inexpensive but quality. The good debates are about whether certain brands fall into these two -- Armani? Canali? H&M? Pink?
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by bsmith
What about the person who can take nothing and make it something. Could that be seen as style as well?
Absolutely. One of the most stylish people I knew back in high school was a girl who took obscure items and sewed them herself into other things. For instance, a men's XXL gym shirt with the fabric wrapped around a bit and sewn into place as a short dress. I think she also made a belt out of a knit scarf and a couple of D-rings or something. She was pretty unique and the outcome of her experiments were always quite eye catching.
post #19 of 25
I think that the "locker room boast" designation is right on. I love this forum and AskAndy, but one thing I'm always bewildered at is the sometimes diva-like attitude where the natural movement of a man's arm while walking might make his jacket cuff extend over his shirt cuff, not making it visible, and thus opening said man up to an offense worth hanging. And, like any internet forum, it is WAY too easy to dish it out because it is anonymous. The same guy who is tearing into one of the Sartorialist's models just might be sitting at his computer in ratty old pajamas, unshaven, with bad acne and rotting house slippers.

But, same with "cheap" $1000 suits. Like the member who posted the Boss suit purchased for $140, there were a few such diva-like comments about "aspiring" to a better suit. I mean, give me a break. It might be easy for a person who has 10 pairs of $2000+ shoes to talk about wanting a "better" suit, but the reality is that probably VERY few members here can actually afford anything like that except at drastic reduction when found on ebay or one of those once-in-a-lifetime deals at a thrift shop. Even if one has a clothes budget out of proportion with their income (hey, as an educator... that's ME!), nevertheless there just aren't that many people in the world that can just go out and get any item of clothing for $5000 plus.

I'd say we probably have a higher percentage of those people who actually CAN afford it on this forum (and AA), but then again, I'd say the percentage probably isn't nearly as high as the posturing and posing might make us think.

John
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by rach2jlc
The same guy who is tearing into one of the Sartorialist's models just might be sitting at his computer in ratty old pajamas, unshaven, with bad acne and rotting house slippers.
Hey! I resemble that remark.
post #21 of 25
Join the club. It's Sunday morning at 8:00 am where I am; I haven't shaved or showered yet and I'm wearing a pair of Nike track-pants and a Hane's t-shirt. So, needless to say, I didn't wander over and post on the "What are you wearing today" thread.

John
post #22 of 25
I don't like Canali suits generally, but that's because their silhouette is far too boxy for me, nothing to do with their price tag.

It's all relative: Canali is at the cheaper end of high-quality suits. But it's at the expensive end of all suits. Given the focus of this forum, we're naturally more interested in high-quality suits so Canali may occasionally be spoken of as a cheaper option. But the unspoken addendum is "cheaper than bespoke, Kiton or Brioni or whatever". It doesn't mean the writer thinks of Canali as cheap in absolute terms. It clearly isn't, because there are a huge range of cheaper suits below it.

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Originally Posted by rach2jlc
Join the club. It's Sunday morning at 8:00 am where I am; I haven't shaved or showered yet and I'm wearing a pair of Nike track-pants and a Hane's t-shirt. So, needless to say, I didn't wander over and post on the "What are you wearing today" thread.

I just posted that I was wearing just a dressing gown in that thread...
post #23 of 25
I have one Canali suit and I like it. Contrary to the previous poster, it fits me very well and is slimming. It's a bit brighter than my usual suits - a plaid with a hint of orange to the brown/beige but not too much. I'm so cheap that I couldn't afford a Canali new, and I bought this off Ebay.

As an aside, advice to the poster with limited means: read a bit more on the fora and then go to the thrift shops or Ebay and buy used quality garments. Make sure that they fit you or at least can be cheaply altered (eg sleeves lengthened) - a fitting used/cheap suit will look far better than one costing ten times as much but doesn't fit. As someone else said, get a good pair of shoes avoiding the fashion forward if possible.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by bsmith
What about the person who can take nothing and make it something. Could that be seen as style as well? Although a well educated person in clothing could know the difference, is it still possible? Being that I have no money to spend on articles like that (I am currently paying my own way through school, and even worse my location limits me from even seeing a store that carries these brands), I am curious to know if there is a way that I could walk into a room with everyone else wearing these suits, and myself not, and still *be looked at in the same way as someone wearing the higher quality item? I know how critical people can be, and I would like to know if it is that big a deal and if so if I need to start saving.

I was going to say, move to Appleton, Wisconsin, but since you are living in Kansas now you probably already get my point: There is no snobbery about menswear in small-city America, and no cadre of spiffed-out gentlemen who could tell (or care) what brands you are wearing. Therefore, it is certainly possible to "take nothing and make it something" in the heartlands. There are really only a handful of places in the United States (or the world) where you could possibly "walk into a room with everyone else wearing these suits." Avoid those places (except on visits): they are ultimately not good for your soul or your bank account.
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by LA Guy
There really isn't a point in upping the ante. I mean, one could assert that $150 PDC jeans are entry level, that $330 Gucci styles are "midrange", and that only $600+ Yamamoto styles are truly "couture", but who would we be kidding?

But upping the ante is what it's all about. Practically every online forum I have ever checked out, whether it be about politics, sports, sex, cars, clothing, movies, music, beer, book collecting -- all utterly male-dominated, of course -- is ultimately, on close inspection, pretty much of a ******* contest. Alpha males and wannabe alpha males have always been into comparisons , but the ease and anonymity of the Internet fuel that tendency considerably. Many posts in many forums could really be boiled down to a single statement: "Dude, I'm more extreme than you are." (I spend more on it than you do, I own more of it than you do, I'm more into it than you are, my tastes are more pure and rarefied than yours are, my enthusiasms are more obscure than yours are, my knowledge is deeper than yours is, my commitment is more intense than yours is, etc., etc.)

It's a sign of the times.
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