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post #301 of 481
I'm actually surprised that this many people don't know dining etiquette. I never really fine dined as a kid, because 1) I was a kid, and my parents wouldn't have taken two kids to a quiet adult place like that (see Piobaire's post) and 2) my parents were vegetarian, which limited a lot of dining options - but still, I have reasonable dining manners. I don't know if I'd want to eat with the queen of Sheba, but I feel like I can take myself to a decent restaurant and not embarrass myself, and the FOH staff generally appreciate my business and are more than courteous, will answer my reasonable questions, and compliment me if I make decent menu or wine choices.

However, I am surprised that not many people in this thread have asked much about Asian dining etiquette - there are a lot of things to know, especially with Japanese food. The order in which you pick up your chopsticks, with which hand, in what position, the proper grip for your rice bowl, proper grip for your miso soup, ways to eat sushi, this stuff isn't gonna come naturally. It would make a good impression if you were to say, go on a business trip to Japan and eat with people; eating Asian food in Asia with tourists is fun because you get to show people something new, but at the same time, table manners and the western approach to eating Asian food can be tough to watch sometimes. Korean food is a tough one to watch foreign people eat, because of the communal soups and hotpots, the admittedly difficult to use thin metal chopsticks, etc.
post #302 of 481
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post


Cutlery implies kitchen knives. I think the more common term is silverware.

In the U.S. it does.
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Sure man, but what I am talking about is like when you see someone wiping down a glass table top. They will circle the plate with bread until its white again. Different from a little dip.

My waiter at Scalini Fedeli actually told me to do that, and that's a pretty upscale restaurant.
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In my experience, this is pretty common over there.

+1
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I like the cut to your jib.
post #306 of 481
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However, I am surprised that not many people in this thread have asked much about Asian dining etiquette - there are a lot of things to know, especially with Japanese food.

alright, would you mind sharing some basics?
post #307 of 481
Well, there's a lot, but touching on the chopstick thread where everybody chimed in with their multinational opinion, here are a couple basics:

- break-apart chopsticks - hold them parallel to the floor, not facing the ceiling with the points, when you break them apart. Bottom chopstick you hold, and you pull upwards with the top one. Rubbing chopsticks is bad manners, but the only places where the full-length squared breakaway chopsticks are given to you are places where this wouldn't matter anyway, nobody would really care. It's like trying to call people out on eating BBQ ribs.

- The order for grabbing your bowl of miso soup or rice is this: empty hands-> two hands to the sides of your bowl of choice-> shift left hand downwards to cup the bowl from the bottom -> go for chopsticks with right hand, hold the chopsticks from the back end palm facing down -> put tips of chopsticks (not actual tips, but about 2-3" down) in your left hand by extending your middle and ring fingers outwards, and then you shift your right hand from facing down to facing upwards, where you move your hands into chopstick position: by this point you should have your left hand cupping your rice/soup bowl from the bottom securely, and the chopsticks in your right hand, in a position where you can eat. Putting them down is the reverse.
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Jesus, I'm guilty of most of the crimes on this page. At least one in the presence of one of the posters on this page I think.

Who isn't (who lives outside the internet)?
post #309 of 481
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

Well, there's a lot, but touching on the chopstick thread where everybody chimed in with their multinational opinion, here are a couple basics:

- break-apart chopsticks - hold them parallel to the floor, not facing the ceiling with the points, when you break them apart. Bottom chopstick you hold, and you pull upwards with the top one. Rubbing chopsticks is bad manners, but the only places where the full-length squared breakaway chopsticks are given to you are places where this wouldn't matter anyway, nobody would really care. It's like trying to call people out on eating BBQ ribs.

- The order for grabbing your bowl of miso soup or rice is this: empty hands-> two hands to the sides of your bowl of choice-> shift left hand downwards to cup the bowl from the bottom -> go for chopsticks with right hand, hold the chopsticks from the back end palm facing down -> put tips of chopsticks (not actual tips, but about 2-3" down) in your left hand by extending your middle and ring fingers outwards, and then you shift your right hand from facing down to facing upwards, where you move your hands into chopstick position: by this point you should have your left hand cupping your rice/soup bowl from the bottom securely, and the chopsticks in your right hand, in a position where you can eat. Putting them down is the reverse.

What the fuck is this?
post #310 of 481
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<<< insert pic of Fuuma eating falafel while drunk >>>>
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For the majority of us wage earning plebs, there's life where you live, and life on vacation. For those of us beholden to earning a living, we have to schedule vacations, and I find vacations work best if you have some highlights planned with lots of room for just exploring and chillin'. If I ever reach true baller status (or somehow become landed gentry), where all my time is my own and the world can kiss my ass, I will adopt this attitude. Until then, I shall unabashedly schedule certain things on my scheduled vacations.

Where I live is a different story.

Maybe I just don't go to high cuisine destinations hence have no need for such reservations? I mean I sometimes go but it's definitely not a habit. Of course my previous post was bullshit as any cultural sociologist worth his salt will tell you people very rarely, if ever, engage in instrumental consumption but rather practice is as a sincere and autotelic activity having to do with their own desires and tastes. That consumption and especially how it is approached and conceptualized then becomes a conduct for the maintaining and acquisition of status does not imply it is a conscious and strategic process. In fact if I was to revisit my posts in this thread using the result of studies regarding high cultural capital individuals and their discourse regarding their own consumption it would end in self-flagellation and cries of “what a fucking cliché, arrrghghgh!!”. Oh wait we’re all self-made and Islands unto ourselves.
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What the fuck is this?

"It means 'turn around, keep walking'" /Tokyo Drift
post #312 of 481
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Maybe I just don't go to high cuisine destinations hence have no need for such reservations? I mean I sometimes go but it's definitely not a habit. Of course my previous post was bullshit as any cultural sociologist worth his salt will tell you people very rarely, if ever, engage in instrumental consumption but rather practice is as a sincere and autotelic activity having to do with their own desires and tastes. That consumption and especially how it is approached and conceptualized then becomes a conduct for the maintaining and acquisition of status does not imply it is a conscious and strategic process. In fact if I was to revisit my posts in this thread using the result of studies regarding high cultural capital individuals and their discourse regarding their own consumption it would end in self-flagellation and cries of “what a fucking cliché, arrrghghgh!!”. Oh wait we’re all self-made and Islands unto ourselves.
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What the fuck is this?
post #313 of 481
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What's unclear about my post? I made a comment earlier about people going to high end dining place for purely positional reasons (declaration of status/distinction) to which Pio reacted (basically by calling me more snobbish than him/declaring a higher status) and since I know what I initially said was a joke but entirely inexact I gave a valid answer in my latest post.
post #314 of 481
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What's unclear about my post? I made a comment earlier about people going to high end dining place for purely positional reasons (declaration of status/distinction) to which Pio reacted (basically by calling me more snobbish than him/declaring a higher status) and since I know what I initially said was a joke but entirely inexact I gave a valid answer in my latest post.

cultural sociologist
instrumental consumption
autotelic
acquisition of status
high cultural capital individuals
self-flagellation

At the risk of sounding like Bush, you might want to lower the bar a hair as it would increase the intellectual capital of the discussion satisfied.gif
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I lived in India for a while and ate with my hands all the time - a scoop of rice with various sauces on a banana leaf.  I miss it.  When you're in a new culture, adapt to the local customs.  Seriously, this stuff is not that hard to figure out.

 

 

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"When you have finished eating place the fork and the knife in the 4:20 position (shown below) or across the middle of the plate, parallel to the edge of the table with the handles to the right and ending on the edge, not hanging over.  Either way is correct. The fork will be nearest you with the tines turned up. The sharp side of the knife points toward you as well. Why, you ask, is this important? Because this simple universal act signals to the staff, waiter or otherwise, that you have finished your meal."

 

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Do I care if someone uses the wrong fork or water glass?  No.  But there are people that I no longer eat with due to their table manners--talking with a mouth full of food, plate lickers, that kind of thing.   To be honest, I'm over fine dining and when I travel I focus on street food or small local places rather that the hot restaurant of the moment or city.  Drives my wife crazy.  

 

lefty


I'm cool w/ using your hands at an Indian or Arab place. Takes some dexterity to tear the naan using only one hand, doesn't it? Thing about India is that all the common restaurants have sinks right in the dining area where everyone washes up before eating. How many people in the west wash their hands before eating? I reckon not that many.

And I hope everyone minds their Ps and Qs with napkins, e.g., knows where to put the napkin when you leave the table briefly during the meal and where to put it when you're finished and have left the table.
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