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post #1201 of 1719
what a game.
post #1202 of 1719
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Originally Posted by Stazy View Post

Hahaha nice play by Edler.

seriously, as if a guy like edler of all people needed to fail any harder at the absolute worst possible time.

WTF vancouver?! this can't just be because daniel sedin is out and quick is raping faces out there.
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

what a game.

+1, proof that you don't need a scorefest for a great game. playoff goalie clinics are always welcomed.

on another note...

http://www.nhlwheelofjustice.com/

killing myself laughing over here.
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Hockey Play

After a thorough review we can find no basis to impose supplemental discipline. This was a hockey play. In reviewing this play, we also took into consideration that Shea Weber is a superstar.
post #1203 of 1719
Wheel of justice predicts 9 games for Keith's elbow to Daniel :|
post #1204 of 1719
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Originally Posted by Kajak View Post

They're now my east coast bandwagon team. Crosby being a twat in the post game interview + the glove thing means that if the Flyers can eliminate them, I'll be very happy.
+1

What did he say in the post game?

As far as the Hagelin/Carkner, I think it has to do with the fact that Carkner is on a Canadian team. Sorry Canucks, I have always felt the league bends over backwards to appease Canadian teams through officiating and supplemental discipline. When the schedules come out at the beginning of the year, I look to see how many games the Rangers have against Canadian teams on a Saturday night, and then chalk them up as losses. So, according to the league, assaulting someone and punching them in the head, and then continuing to punch them while they are down is MUCH less of a threat to player safety than an elbow? And since when did a player being hurt ever come into play into how long a suspension would be?

What would happen if the Rangers appealed? How does that work? Aside from the appeal being denied by the same people who made the suspension.
post #1205 of 1719
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Now, looks like the Rangers will dress Kreiter for games 3-5, but I'd be curious to see if they throw Scott in to do the same thing that Carkner did. Knowing the organization I'd say no, but seeing what this years playoffs have turned into, I wouldn't be totally shocked.
post #1206 of 1719
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Originally Posted by NewYorkRanger View Post

What did he say in the post game?
As far as the Hagelin/Carkner, I think it has to do with the fact that Carkner is on a Canadian team. Sorry Canucks, I have always felt the league bends over backwards to appease Canadian teams through officiating and supplemental discipline.

The funny thing is that many fans of Canadian teams feel that the NHL gives preferential treatment to American teams (to grow the game, larger network audiences, etc).
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elbowing Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
45.1 Elbowing - Elbowing shall mean the use of an extended elbow in a manner that may or may not cause injury.

45.2 Minor Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a minor penalty, based on the degree of violence, to a player guilty of elbowing an opponent.

45.3 Major Penalty - A major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, shall be imposed on any player who uses his elbow to foul an opponent. A major penalty must be imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent (see 45.5).

45.4 Match Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by elbowing.

45.5 Game Misconduct Penalty - When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct penalty shall also be imposed.

fighting: aggressor Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
46.2 Aggressor – The aggressor in an altercation shall be the player who continues to throw punches in an attempt to inflict punishment on his opponent who is in a defenseless position or who is an unwilling combatant.

A player must be deemed the aggressor when he has clearly won the fight but he continues throwing and landing punches in a further attempt to inflict punishment and/or injury on his opponent who is no longer in a position to defend himself.

A player who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation shall be assessed a major penalty for fighting and a game misconduct.

A player who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation will have this recorded as an aggressor of an altercation for statistical and suspension purposes.

A player who is deemed to be both the instigator and aggressor of an altercation shall be assessed an instigating minor penalty, a major penalty for fighting, a ten-minute misconduct (instigator) and a game misconduct penalty (aggressor).

carkner's suspension fell under the umbrella of fighting. the wording for the "aggressor" rule pretty much outlines exactly what carkner did. he got 2, 5, and a game. hagelin dodged the automatic game misconduct that gets assessed for a head injury-causing elbow, but got a 5. in essence, carkner got 2 games, hagelin got 3.

honestly, i think it was the "hit to the head" thing. disciplining blindside hits, elbows, and any kind of non-fighting body contact targeted at the head is the league's #1 priority, doubly so when injuries are caused by them. certain physical or stick fouls - elbowing, kneeing, spearing, etc. have always been far more reviled than fighting.

now, saying what carkner did was fighting was a bit of a misnomer. unfortunately, due to the wording, this gets lumped into fighting. that + no injury + 2/5 + game = 1 game suspension. hagelin elbows + causes injury + only 5 minute penalty when he should've gotten 5 + game = three game suspension. essentially, hagelin got one extra game for injuring somebody. the prior discipline thing makes no sense to me though.
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Originally Posted by NewYorkRanger View Post

What did he say in the post game?
As far as the Hagelin/Carkner, I think it has to do with the fact that Carkner is on a Canadian team. Sorry Canucks, I have always felt the league bends over backwards to appease Canadian teams through officiating and supplemental discipline.
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Originally Posted by Thrifter View Post

The funny thing is that many fans of Canadian teams feel that the NHL gives preferential treatment to American teams (to grow the game, larger network audiences, etc).

i think any kind of country bias is ridiculous. scheduling is scheduling; some teams will always get screwed. the flames only played the canucks when they were on the second half of a back-to-back, never vice versa. they're both canadian, but that's unfair. it happens. as far as discipline goes, i dont think you can make that call. is it canadians on american teams who get preferential treatment? or canadian teams whose non-canadian players get disciplined?

a good example is duncan keith suspension vs rene bourque suspension. american team / canadian team; both garbage blindside elbows, both 5 games - however, bourque had the previous offender for a 2-game suspension maybe a week earlier, and probably should've gotten more time. the longest suspension this year was sutton who got 8 games for his charge on skinner; canadian player on a canadian team. marchand got fucked for 5 games for boarding; although dirty, i've seen much worse offenses more deserving of 5 games for that. american team? canadian player? who knows? its sufficiently jumbled enough that you couldn't argue that a player or team nationality gets favoured when it comes to major discipline. in terms of calls during a game, well, the reffing has been quite atrocious across the board this year so i don't think you can peg nationality bias objectively anywhere in there. "i'm not racist, i hate everybody" kinda thing.
Edited by jarude - 4/16/12 at 4:28am
post #1208 of 1719
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

seriously, as if a guy like edler of all people needed to fail any harder at the absolute worst possible time.
WTF vancouver?! this can't just be because daniel sedin is out and quick is raping faces out there.
Quick is playing well enough, he's not stealing games. the team defense is winning the series. The Canucks PP is losing it. And yes, if there's an anti-conn-smythe, Edler is battling it out with Fleury right now to take that trophy.

It's distressing that the Canucks of all teams can be riding ridiculously good goaltending from both their guys (both have an even strength save percentage of better than .950), have Henrik playing well, Kesler playing well (if not world-beating he's still driving possession), Hamhuis and Bieksa playing great, spend the vast majority of their time in the attacking zone... and still can't buy a game.

I mean the losses aren't even as depressing as last year because whent he horn sounds you're just sitting there like "What else can we do?"
post #1209 of 1719
Love it.

Vancouver down 3-0
Penguins down 3-0

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Also if they make it back to Vancouver for a game I hope it's still Schneider in net so I don't have to listen to fans chant LOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU on shots that go wide of the net.
post #1210 of 1719
I would love to see boston vs vancouver in a neutral location with luongo and rask in net. Tuuu? Louuu? Boo?? Who knows laugh.gif
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team defense

This makes sense, it just never looked like vancouver could get anything started and when they did, quick was there.

You really cant fault any one guy. One oops from schneider and that was it. Edler, though... what a bum. I facepalmed irl when he got that delay of game

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post #1212 of 1719
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MSG Networks ‏ @MSGNetworks

Shanny announces that Hagelin's suspension may get reduced if Alfredsson plays tonight on @BoomerandCarton. He is on MSG right now.

lol8[1].gif The NHL is a joke.

EDIT: Turns out this is false.
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Aaron Ward ‏ @aaronward_nhl

Clarification on MSG tweet.There will be no reduction in the 3 game suspension for Hagelin,regardless of Alfredsson's status. #TSN
post #1213 of 1719
Are they going to review anything from the Pens/Flyers yesterday?

IMO the Asham and Neil stuff should totally be looked at, and also Adams for jumping in and pummeling a guy a la Carkner.
post #1214 of 1719
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

Are they going to review anything from the Pens/Flyers yesterday?
IMO the Asham and Neil stuff should totally be looked at, and also Adams for jumping in and pummeling a guy a la Carkner.

james neal has two hearings at 11am, one for each incident. asham has an in-person hearing today at 2pm. i dont think there's anything for adams. i really, really hope they throw the book at these guys, asham especially since he has repeatedly affirmed his status as a piece of shit many times before today.

also pretty interested to see what shaw gets for the headshot on mike smith. i cant think of any other incident where a goalie got headshotted; it looked pretty bad, but smith was able to finish the game. either it was a hell of a sales job on his part, or he's gonna go down to the dreaded "concussion-like symptoms" any time now.
post #1215 of 1719
got it, I just saw the stuff on TSN. Neil's second hit on Giroux didn't seem terrible to me at first, but when you consider the awful hit he leveled moments before it's clear that he was head hunting. Classless. TSN says he is a repeat offender so it wouldn't surprise me if the suspension is fairly big even though there was no injury on the play.

I think the in-person hearings indicate they're looking at 3+ (or maybe it's 5+) for Asham. Rightfully so.
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