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I changed my mind. Your striped tie could be a grenadine. (All my grenadines are lined, so I can't easily see through the weave.)
But your second one doesn't look like one--too open a weave.
The off-white tie comes from the Sam Hober website. It is definitely Garza Fina.
http://www.samhober.com/grenadinesilks/grenadine.htm
Bobbers,
The silk in your photos are not grenadines.