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Tuxedo lapel: Peak or Notch?

post #1 of 39
Thread Starter 
If you have to have just one black tuxedo (for those black tie events), what type of lapel would you get? I've seen people in very accomplished places still wear notch lapels. I favor a peak lapel in a tux, but want to make sure it's not seen as too brash.

Thanks!
post #2 of 39
Peak. Peak Peak.
post #3 of 39
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Peak. Peak Peak.

This.
post #4 of 39
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This.

x3.

Shawl is also acceptable. Notch is never acceptable.
post #5 of 39
As Harvey Birdman noted, peak and shawl are the only acceptable options. So your question really should be between those two.
post #6 of 39
I have a thin shawl lapel 2-button tuxedo and I prefer it because of the cleaner lines and minimalist look and it compliments my body type. Additionally, most people in the few wedding I had been invited to the past few months sported peaks so it was nice to stand apart in a subtle way. Peak for DB jacket though (just my opinion).

I echo no on the notch.
post #7 of 39
Thread Starter 
Thanks. Looks like consensus is on peak, and if possible, shawl.

Are there any good designers or Italian houses that do a good shawl tux? I've seen Isaia and Zegna, but they're typically peak lapel. Would love some pointers!
post #8 of 39
Tom Ford has some gorgeous shawl collar dinner jackets... if you've got $8000 to spend.
post #9 of 39
To be honest, although everyone here will say peak or shawl, there is no written convention anywhere other than modern books against notch. However, I still prefer the look of peak and shawl to notch. I believe, although correct me, the first tuxedo was actually a notch lapel.
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This.

That^^
post #11 of 39
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Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post

To be honest, although everyone here will say peak or shawl, there is no written convention anywhere other than modern books against notch. However, I still prefer the look of peak and shawl to notch. I believe, although correct me, the first tuxedo was actually a notch lapel.

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post #12 of 39
Shawl. Looks classiest. Really the only time you wear a shawl collar is on a tuxedo, or if you are the successor to the playboy mansion.
post #13 of 39
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Thanks. Looks like consensus is on peak, and if possible, shawl.

Are there any good designers or Italian houses that do a good shawl tux? I've seen Isaia and Zegna, but they're typically peak lapel. Would love some pointers!
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Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post

To be honest, although everyone here will say peak or shawl, there is no written convention anywhere other than modern books against notch. However, I still prefer the look of peak and shawl to notch. I believe, although correct me, the first tuxedo was actually a notch lapel.

It is a matter of reason. A notch lapel is the most informal variation. For a formal jacket, a more formal lapel is called for (i.e. a peak or shawl lapel).
post #14 of 39
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It is a matter of reason. A notch lapel is the most informal variation. For a formal jacket, a more formal lapel is called for (i.e. a peak or shawl lapel).

Actually, not at all. The reason, if that, is simply because cheap makers started using their normal suit patterns to make tuxedos, just adding the satin and covered buttons. So while notch was always a correct option, and chosen by accomplished dressers at the same rate as peak or notch, it was soon avoided by those who actually knew what they were doing to distance themselves from the masses in cheap and badly cut jackets.

There's no actual justification beyond that. Yes, people have tried to stretch and invent a reason afterwards, but those should be ignored. It's snobbery, but good snobbery. Somebody has to take a stand against black suits, made with shiny lapels, worn with long ties and bad wing collars.
post #15 of 39
^^^
I'm sorry to say I don't agree at all.
Black tie evolved quite gradually from white tie, as a less formal sort of attire. Therefore, the further away you get from white tie, the less formal you get. White tie is always worn with peaks. Taking away the peaks is considerable deviation, and as a result makes the outfit considerably less formal. That's why people prefer peaks: because it's seen as more formal and therefore elegant, &c.
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