people who ***** about tipping are scum?

HgaleK · Jul 25, 2011

scarphe said:
so they work like the people that bag groceries than? they are not paid at all and only receive tips.
somehow i doubt that.

Actually, grocery people are paid minimum wage at least, which is about $7.50 in most states.

scarphe · Jul 25, 2011

HgaleK said:
Actually, grocery people are paid minimum wage at least, which is about $7.50 in most states.

well here they are not paid. but eh the picture that i sbeing paitned by the poster with ass cheek photo is that waiters in thus are basically int he smae condition the people that bag groceries here. they receive no wage and live on the tips. again i doubt that.

Jr Mouse · Jul 25, 2011

Have not read the whole thread so I dont know if this has been brought up. I'm usually a good tipper, but really hate it when I am handed a bill to sign with a spot to add a tip in situations that really don't warrant it. I'm talking to-go orders and small restaurants where you order your food at the counter then pick it up to take to your own table when it's ready. What am I tipping here? They don't serve me at my table or take care of my drinks when they are empty. All they really do is take your order and hand you your food when it's ready. I see little to no reason why I would be expected to tip in these situations, yet I am often given my bill to sign with a spot for it.

landshark · Jul 25, 2011

Quatsch said:
Its a complicated issue, I'll admit, but for six out of the last nine months, I've been working as a server in an upscale restaurant between internships. Here's some food for thought.

Do you know what its like to go in to work knowing that you might have to work eight hours and walk home with $20? There have been nights in the last month where I made $7 and $11, often because of overstaffing on a slow night. I make $2.15 an hour. Its distressing to say the least. I choose to work here? Yes, maybe, but I get by here. Having two college degrees did not get me a job. You do what you can.

Ever have a bad day at work? Ever have a fight with your girlfriend and then go to work or have a death in the family? Are you always at your best? No, thats not human. Well imagine you mess up a little bit and your pay gets cut because the apps came out inexplicably fast - before you could get your table's drinks or because the refills started slowing down after that 5th glass of water. Or because someone didn't like the specialty cocktail they ordered and still had to pay for it. Or because the bar or kitchen is slammed and running slow and there is nothing you can do about it.

Many people show their worst side when dining out, even at nice places. A lot of people like to go out to places they can't afford and then undertip. They are rude and petty. Servers are treated very poorly by many guests. My name isn't "hey you." Its also harder doing this as a man - girls get tipped better just for being good-looking, regardless of the service. Unfortunately I don't have boobs to help me out.

I'll also say that stereotypes are startlingly accurate.

I try to give people a good dining experience. I don't try to pad people's checks or upsell unless its very worth it and I try to keep people out of pitfalls in the menu, and I try to be knowledgeable and engaging and friendly or polite and low-impact as I think that people want, but I am so seldom rewarded with anything more than the socially acceptable minimum that I find myself asking more and more what the point is. I generally hope for 20%. If you tip your waiter 20%, he's not taking all of that money home. I lose about 20-25% of my tips every night to tipping out the bar, server assistants, and the sushi chefs (technically not legal, but what am I going to do about it? refuse and get fired?).

I do end up making decent money at the end of the day, considering I don't have the bills that many of my compatriots do. Serving in the US is a hard row to hoe. The hours suck (we're open till midnight) and I often work 8 or 9 hours with no food or any kind of break, and will go 4 hours without even being able to take a piss. Show a little kindness and a modicum of respect (ie treat your server like a human being). If you can afford to pay $12 for a glass of wine or $14 for a bit of raw tuna with some fluff, you can afford to tip appropriately, even if that tip should be included in the cost of the food to begin with.

"I choose to work at a ****** job, and I'm complaining about my ****** job."

Seriously, get a job working at McDonalds, a grocery store, pizzeria, whatever. At least they get a minimum wage they can count on, and it's easy to move up in companies like those and make a little more. If you can't survive not knowing how much you'll make each night, then get another ******* job. It's really that simple. A waiter is a job for a young man or woman who is still dependent on their parents in college or high school.

JMRouse said:
Have not read the whole thread so I dont know if this has been brought up. I'm usually a good tipper, but really hate it when I am handed a bill to sign with a spot to add a tip in situations that really don't warrant it. I'm talking to-go orders and small restaurants where you order your food at the counter then pick it up to take to your own table when it's ready. What am I tipping here? They don't serve me at my table or take care of my drinks when they are empty. All they really do is take your order and hand you your food when it's ready. I see little to no reason why I would be expected to tip in these situations, yet I am often given my bill to sign with a spot for it.

In these situations, I strike out the tip line if I do not intend to tip. Some employees (I have worked with them in a similar environment) will add a dollar or two. When you see the bill or your balance you probably wont notice that you ended up paying $12.50 instead of $10.50

Quatsch · Jul 25, 2011

scarphe said:
well here they are not paid. but eh the picture that i sbeing paitned by the poster with ass cheek photo is that waiters in thus are basically int he smae condition the people that bag groceries here. they receive no wage and live on the tips. again i doubt that.

What are you doubting? I'm here telling you thats the way it is. In case you didn't read it the first time I said it, I get paid two dollars ($) and fifteen cents per every hour I work. And I have to pay taxes out of this, so none of it goes in my pocket. Do I get insurance or any sort of other benefits? No. Free food? No.

I still come out okay because of the place I work at, which isn't fine-dining but is fairly expensive, but I still get screwed sometimes. Last night I worked 9 hours and made $54.

idfnl · Jul 25, 2011

scarphe said:
so they work like the people that bag groceries than? they are not paid at all and only receive tips.
somehow i doubt that.

HgaleK said:
Actually, grocery people are paid minimum wage at least, which is about $7.50 in most states.

Correct, wait staff earns a bit more than $2 an hour. Grocery baggers are paid hourly.

Waiters are pretty much the only tipped job that you earn so little an hour. That is why the tips are so important.

Redwoood said:
I've always been wondering something, and this thread is as good as any to discuss this:
How come the tip is relative to the total bill?
Is a waiter who works at a 40$-per-meal restaurant half as good as the one working at a $80-per-meal restaurant?

Actually, yes, you generally get a more highly skilled waiter. In the restaurant world they called them waiters and servers. Servers work at $40 joints and take the order nd serve it, waiters work at more $$$. The difference is the waiter's skill is supposed to enhance the meal by, for example, suggesting wine or having a deep knowledge of food to comment on the menu.

In addition a good waiter is discreet, knows how and when to approach a table and is as invisible as possible but attentive to all needs. And has to do this x 5 tables at once. Its a skill and takes time to develop.

mr.orange · Jul 25, 2011

JMRouse said:
Have not read the whole thread so I dont know if this has been brought up. I'm usually a good tipper, but really hate it when I am handed a bill to sign with a spot to add a tip in situations that really don't warrant it. I'm talking to-go orders and small restaurants where you order your food at the counter then pick it up to take to your own table when it's ready. What am I tipping here? They don't serve me at my table or take care of my drinks when they are empty. All they really do is take your order and hand you your food when it's ready. I see little to no reason why I would be expected to tip in these situations, yet I am often given my bill to sign with a spot for it.

put a big 0 on teh dotted line and write down your total on the line below. simple as that playa. otherwise, and I could be lying, they'll add 2 or 3 dollars to the tip line.

Quatsch · Jul 25, 2011

mr.orange said:
put a big 0 on teh dotted line and write down your total on the line below. simple as that playa. otherwise, and I could be lying, they'll add 2 or 3 dollars to the tip line.

Not saying it never happens, but thats a really good way to lose your job over $2 or $3.

Prada_Ferragamo · Jul 25, 2011

I worked as a waiter in a Chinese dine in restaurant in high school and then again in college. My base pay was $2.25 per hour before tax (yes they tax that ****). I never had any formal training, but I considered myself pretty good at doing the job. I always checked on the customers at least twice after bringing them their food and refilled their drinks whenever the buser was busy. The experience definitely opened up about the harsh reality faced by service industry members.

People complain about waiters/waitresses feeling entitled, you should have seen how entitled some of the patrons felt. Since my income depended on customers, I, sometimes, felt like a slave trying to earn that 4 or 5 dollars. People show no respect nor common courtesy to the waiting staff. Often those who demanded and requested the most end up tipping the least.

I definitely learned a lot working at those places and realized a common courtesy between two people can go a long way.

Like some of the above posters have said, stereotypes exist for a reason and they were so true 99% of the time when I worked as a waiter.

Neo_Version 7 · Jul 25, 2011

I like it when waitresses recommend me dishes like they know what's up. I mean, their palates are likely rubbish anyway but I find it endearing especially if the server is adorable looking.

Prada_Ferragamo · Jul 25, 2011

mr.orange said:
put a big 0 on teh dotted line and write down your total on the line below. simple as that playa. otherwise, and I could be lying, they'll add 2 or 3 dollars to the tip line.

In my 4 years of restaurant experience, I have never seen this happen. That could a be potential lawsuit situation.

kwilkinson · Jul 25, 2011

Redwoood said:
I've always been wondering something, and this thread is as good as any to discuss this:
How come the tip is relative to the total bill?
Is a waiter who works at a 40$-per-meal restaurant half as good as the one working at a $80-per-meal restaurant?

The thought would be that the server at the higher-end, nicer restaurant is a better server, more qualified with food and wine knowledge, experience, etc etc etc. But that rarely translates into actual reality.

idfnl · Jul 25, 2011

Prada_Ferragamo said:
I

I definitely learned a lot working at those places and realized a common courtesy between two people can go a long way.

I will encourage my kids to wait tables. It teaches you a tremedous amount about the nature of people and who you are.

It also changes the way you'll treat service people for the rest of your lives. When I worked as a waiter I had dozens of instances where people left and thanked me and said 'I know what this job is like, I worked as a waiter'

I hate to say it but yes, waiting tables does confirm most if not all stereptypes.

Prada_Ferragamo · Jul 25, 2011

kwilkinson said:
The thought would be that the server at the higher-end, nicer restaurant is a better server, more qualified with food and wine knowledge, experience, etc etc etc. But that rarely translates into actual reality.

I don't know squad about wine since Chinese restaurants that I worked had minimal selection of wine. But I did know all the dishes on the menu inside out which there were quite bit of them. I think it just really depends on where you worked and what they serve.

Prada_Ferragamo · Jul 25, 2011

idfnl said:
I will encourage my kids to wait tables. It teaches you a tremedous amount about the nature of people and who you are.

It also changes the way you'll treat service people for the rest of your lives. When I worked as a waiter I had dozens of instances where people left and thanked me and said 'I know what this job is like, I worked as a waiter'

I hate to say it but yes, waiting tables does confirm most if not all stereptypes.

Definitely an experience worth experiencing.

Totally agree with the second bolded part.

people who ***** about tipping are scum?

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