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post #5911 of 6163
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Originally Posted by skywalker View Post

Below are photos of Russian Calf Derby. I am very disappointed. Several posters urged other users here who complained to reach out to the vendor. The vendor only said they brought this matter to Saint Crispin's but they were unwilling to do anything and that I should simply polish them.

The photos below are my shoes after 3 wears, I've owned them well over 6 months but they've sat in the back of my closet because they look like a pair I'd give to the Goodwill. I own several other Saint Crispin's shoes and have been accustomed to the "aging" properties of crust leather. I think the lasts, styles, colors and other various features make Saint Crispin's one of the nicest looking shoes when first purchased. However never have I purchased a shoe at this price point that was so lacking in quality. The finish does not hold on this leather at all and any minimal contact produces a large mark/scuff. There was no rain, they weren't stepped on, I take very good care of my shoes. When an issue like this arises I expect the shoemaker to take the necessary steps and accept a return or repair them, and although it is my conjecture I believe from a business standpoint they sacrificed quality that was on par with all their other work so they did not lose in profits.


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I posted my similar experience with St. C's imitation Russian calf a few months back. It's crap. My retailer did send them off to St. C's for a "repolish", but they look dull and not the same colour or tone as they were originally. Not sure what it is about St. C's imitation Russian leather, but it doesn't hold up well. Caveat Emptor.
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Here is what mine looked like after a couple of wears....







post #5913 of 6163
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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post

^^^^because of this reason I skipped Russian calf other wise no problem with any thing else.

such beautiful shoes though, and lovely leather lookwise!
post #5914 of 6163
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

such beautiful shoes though, and lovely leather lookwise!
Agree 100% with you !
post #5915 of 6163
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Originally Posted by skywalker View Post

Below are photos of Russian Calf Derby. I am very disappointed. Several posters urged other users here who complained to reach out to the vendor. The vendor only said they brought this matter to Saint Crispin's but they were unwilling to do anything and that I should simply polish them. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The photos below are my shoes after 3 wears, I've owned them well over 6 months but they've sat in the back of my closet because they look like a pair I'd give to the Goodwill. I own several other Saint Crispin's shoes and have been accustomed to the "aging" properties of crust leather. I think the lasts, styles, colors and other various features make Saint Crispin's one of the nicest looking shoes when first purchased. However never have I purchased a shoe at this price point that was so lacking in quality. The finish does not hold on this leather at all and any minimal contact produces a large mark/scuff. There was no rain, they weren't stepped on, I take very good care of my shoes. When an issue like this arises I expect the shoemaker to take the necessary steps and accept a return or repair them, and although it is my conjecture I believe from a business standpoint they sacrificed quality that was on par with all their other work so they did not lose in profits.


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I assume this is the Russian Reindeer leather? Sorry to hear about this... maybe this is just the leather's quality?
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Originally Posted by rbhan12 View Post

Not sure the vendor is the problem here, but rather StC saying to just polish them. This issue came up in Skoak's thread as well. One of their staff posted his shoe care regimen for his Russian calf and his looked damn good. 
The finishing issue has been a known (and SF-posted) problem (calling @MoosicPa
 ). @patrickBOOTH
 thought it may be StC applying additional color to the hatch grain leather (embossed, pores of leather substantially more closed) that doesn't penetrate and thereby comes off easily. 

Apparently only this color of Horween Hatch has the color problem, the darker shades don't. For what its worth, GG uses the same leather and I've never seen anyone post a problem about their chestnut hatch grain, which is the same leather). 
I believe the hatch grain by Horween is a different leather that is stamped to look like Russian Reindeer?
post #5916 of 6163
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Originally Posted by SuitedDx View Post

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I assume this is the Russian Reindeer leather? Sorry to hear about this... maybe this is just the leather's quality?

No, St. C's does not use the 1786 Russian Reindeer leather. At this time only Cleverley has a supply to the recovered leather. St. C's is an imitation stamped calf leather make to resemble the Russian stuff.
post #5917 of 6163
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Originally Posted by SuitedDx View Post

I believe the hatch grain by Horween is a different leather that is stamped to look like Russian Reindeer?

 

It's the same thing, I've been told StC uses horween hatch (Russia) grain and calls it Russian leather. 

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Oh, my mistake, Cleverley was the one that had it. Sorry for those with the Horween finishing concerns...
post #5919 of 6163

That's a bummer, but, if you feel so inclined, I'd happily play the Goodwill role here :slayer:

 

In all seriousness, that does suck, and no attempt to amend the issue would leave a poor taste in my mouth.

post #5920 of 6163
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Originally Posted by MoosicPa View Post

Here is what mine looked like after a couple of wears....








Is this your original issue or how they are holding up post their repolishing (in lack of a better world)
post #5921 of 6163
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Originally Posted by sdfzs View Post

Is this your original issue or how they are holding up post their repolishing (in lack of a better world)

@sdfzs this was the original issue. I haven't worn them since their return because they're not the same shoes I ordered. Originally they had a reddish hue and shiny toe, they came back a dull brown shoe. Not the shoe I ordered, I have relegated them to the back of my closet not to be thought about.

The unfortunate thing about it is it has ruined a relationship with the retailer also.
post #5922 of 6163
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Originally Posted by MoosicPa View Post

@sdfzs this was the original issue. I haven't worn them since their return because they're not the same shoes I ordered. Originally they had a reddish hue and shiny toe, they came back a dull brown shoe. Not the shoe I ordered, I have relegated them to the back of my closet not to be thought about.

The unfortunate thing about it is it has ruined a relationship with the retailer also.

can you have the toe burnished by your shoe polisher?
post #5923 of 6163

Gents, allow my to present my first pair of Saint Crispin's shoes on my personal last. Unboxed them and immediately took them out for a spin. This is Mod. 105 with Cru 603 leather. I requested minimal polish as I wanted to condition and polish the shoes myself. 

 

I needed a good wingtip and decided the iconic wingtip was a must-have. Got the fit pretty good on the first pair, need to narrow the heel and ankle area some more for the next pair. In hindsight, I should have gone with trial shoes first to get everything just right. Might do it for the next adjustment.

 

Many thanks to @Stefan88 for his patience throughout the process! He's in a class of his own. 

 

 

 

 

Yup, my feet are very wide and my ankle/heel area is even narrower than the shoe!

 

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^^^congrats my man
post #5925 of 6163
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Originally Posted by rbhan12 View Post

Gents, allow my to present my first pair of Saint Crispin's shoes on my personal last. Unboxed them and immediately took them out for a spin. This is Mod. 105 with Cru 603 leather. I requested minimal polish as I wanted to condition and polish the shoes myself. 

I needed a good wingtip and decided the iconic wingtip was a must-have. Got the fit pretty good on the first pair, need to narrow the heel and ankle area some more for the next pair. In hindsight, I should have gone with trial shoes first to get everything just right. Might do it for the next adjustment.

Many thanks to @Stefan88
 for his patience throughout the process! He's in a class of his own. 

Great pictures, and thank you for the kind words.
Mind if I use them? 😊
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